Michelle Obama Is Finally Proud of America (Updated)
[Guest post by DRJ]
From Boston.com:
“For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country,” she told a Milwaukee crowd today, “because it feels like hope is making a comeback.”
Video and a longer quote from Breitbart:
“What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback and let me tell you something, For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I have seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues. It has made me proud.”
UPDATE: I’m striking through the Boston.com quote because I think it’s misleading.
I’m sure it’s hard to campaign and speak frequently without misspeaking or conveying something other than you mean. It’s certainly true with blogging, and public speaking is even more prone to errors. I would also understand a young person like Michelle Obama who might be enthusiastic about American politics for the first time, but she sounded like she really meant this is the first time in her adult life she has been proud of America.
— DRJ
Yeah, I kind of got that vibe from her.
Is anyone in the MSM going to follow up on that quote? Nah.
Merovign (4744a2) — 2/18/2008 @ 2:59 pmThe arrogance is mind boggling. I guess this is her version of the two Americas. Those who see America as the greatest country in the world- yet one with flaws. And those who see it as a corrupt, innately bad place.
jimbosterjim (364ef3) — 2/18/2008 @ 3:08 pm*flipps Michelle Obama the bird*
Proud this, bitch. I’ve loved my country my whole life, and while I’ve not always been thrilled with it (8 years of CLinton… Really, America?), I’ve always been proud to be a citizen, to be an American.
If you have found it so rough, Canada ain’t that far north, woman. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out…
I don’t want ass-prints on our door…
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/18/2008 @ 3:12 pmToo bad her country can’t say the same about her eh?
Verlin Martin (899dce) — 2/18/2008 @ 3:22 pmI don’t think she’s the optimist in the family; and, this sentiment IIRC is not an outlier in her public pronouncements.
Another Drew (f9dd2c) — 2/18/2008 @ 3:30 pmI really don’t make too much of prospective first ladies and their announcments with the possible exception of Teresa Kerry, who was older, knew better, and still sounded like a flake.
Michelle is an intelligent person but has a bit of diarrhea of the mouth it seems. If obama gets the nod the handlers will ensure she is well prepped in the general election appearances.
voiceofreason2 (fb7108) — 2/18/2008 @ 3:43 pmI’ll bet they’re already prepping meds for her, to keep her sedated.
Daryl Herbert (4ecd4c) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:07 pmWell, painting over that kind of disrespect and attitude isn’t exactly the same as her having a positive outlook, is it? What we need are people in public office who appreciate the greatness of this country and work to improve it, not those who have disdain for it and its citizens.
And as to her comment a few days ago, I don’t need Barak or the government to “fix my soul”, thank you very much – my soul is not broken and I would NEVER look to government to have the arrogance to think that was a legitimate role for it to undertake.
in_awe (52fd64) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:12 pmSeriously, screw her.
She disgusts me, and her husband does now too. His refusal to acknowledge the flag or the national anthem fits in perfectly with his wife’s attitude.
How on earth can people vote for someone to be President whose love of country is conditional?
Screw them both.
Nessuno (1440ff) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:17 pmFinally, the true color shows! There is so much one can read into the statement made by Michelle Obama. In fact you do not have to read between the lines. What exactly does she mean? She was not proud of the country when we defeated communism? I am an immigrant myself and I have been way proud of this country even before becoming a citizen! I see this sentiment few people in this country and she just echoed that sentiment verbatim! Come on now! Does everybody have to either be a President or the President’s spouse to suddenly become proud of this country! I sensed racist vibes there or is it just me???
Vic (272751) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:20 pmGlad to have you with us, Vic!
And no, it isn’t just you.
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:23 pm#8,
Like I said – I’m not voting for first lady. If you read the entire quote it sounds much less “disrespectful”. She sounds a bit like my 20 something daughter after she got finished with college – idealistic sweeping statements based more on hope and little tempered by life experience. Michelle doesn’t have the youth excuse but you get the idea.
some were going on and on about “how hot” fred’s wife was. What that had to do with him as a candidate meant zero but made the people saying it sound a little unsophisticated.
Barack will lose if the campaign sticks to the issues. If people go off on silly tangents such as statements his spouse made.. he probably wins.
voiceofreason2 (fb7108) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:24 pmMaybe she feels that way; maybe she doesn’t, but such a statement would never ever come out of the mouth of a true patriot. This, coupled with barack’s trashing of our efforts in Afghanistan and his silly nonsense about flag lapels, says something.
Obama and his wife are lucky as hell to live in America. That comment was disgusting. To hell with the both of them.
Law (62ca0c) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:30 pmWhat happened to Drudge Report? He had this news at the top and within 30 minutes he took it down and no where to be found!!
What happened?
frieda (f9a296) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:41 pmHer comment mirrors that of many Americans, they are just afraid to speak it. America isn’t a place to be all that proud of. I know I am not proud of the fact that our elected Congressmen would rather waste time and energy holding hearings on whether or not an athlete is taking steroids, when our servicemen are dying in senseless wars, our education system is deplorable, families are losing their homes, and our jobs are being shipped out of the country in record numbers. But who cares about any of that, as long you can wave that stupid flag and shout how proud you are to be an American…LOL
Dinah (c65095) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:43 pm“For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.”
I’m sorry to hear that Michelle Obama, as smart and educated as she is has missed the obvious.
She is a black woman, educated at Princeton and Harvard, was on the staff for the mayor of Chicago, the University of Chicago, married a well educated man who is definitely going places, on top of which she faced with the very real possibility of becoming not only First Lady but the first black lady at that.
How can she not already be proud of a country that has pvided her with more opportunity than any other country in the world? Her successes evidence opportunities that others can only dream of. I’m always loathe to hear someone complain about being hungry when their gracious plenty overflows.
Dana (ddd5ec) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:44 pmLou Dobbs nailed Michelle Obama’s comments on CNN on his show at 7pm ET today. Bill Schneider tried to weasle out of it, but Lou hit it head on naming a litany of things that she should be proud of. Wonder if anyone saved a video of that show.
Fred Taylor (77ec81) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:45 pmLou Dobb’s is a closet Hillary Clinton lover, so he welcomes the opportunity to pounce on anything that come’s out against Obama. Just like this idiotic story on plagerism.
Dinah (c65095) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:47 pmI’m not so forgiving. Being proud and being enthusiastic aren’t mutually exclusive.
She is very happy to see the country moving toward hope and change.
AND, yes, AND, that is why she is proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.
wt (ca1cea) — 2/18/2008 @ 4:57 pmThe more I think about this the more infuriated I become. How did this amazingly accomplished woman miss so much and right under her nose? Our country provides more global and humanitarian aid which literally keeps third world countries afloat and she doesn’t know this? We rprovide more AIDs relief to Africa than any other country and so on. I started a list but then saw an NRO reader summed it up nicely:
“Not the fact that it won the Cold War and liberated tens of millions from totalitarian rule? What about sending billions to ease the plight of millions of AIDS sufferers in Africa? What about the nation’s selflessness in stopping genocide in the Balkans when it had no immediate security interest in the region? What about our ability to produce hundreds of thousands of brave men and women who will risk life and limb to liberate two countries from despotic regimes right out of the Dark Ages? Doesn’t the Herculean Tsunami Relief effort generate a flicker of national pride?”
I couldn’t have said it better.
Dana (ddd5ec) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:02 pmGoodness! Is this really news? Should pride of country be resolute even when a person has issue with the policies and actions of its government? these candidates are human and that’s the way that goes. Everybody makes mistakes. And of course too many people commenting here so easily result to name calling. The b-word, no less. Well, I am not all proud to share a country with persons who would resort to this kind low vernacular over such a small issue.
Cagey (8f5eed) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:06 pmCan we get off this sideshow and get back to the real issues? If this is all you can find to throw at the Obama campaign, try again. There are a lot of things that we need to address as a country: security, jobs, education, healthcare, our worldwide reputation, the war in Iraq; we’ve been frequently wrong in the recent past. We need to acknowledge and address these issues to get better, rather than trying to act like everything is on track in our country. And please stop with this “she better be happy to be an American”. What are you going to say next, “go back to Africa”? Give me a break!
Carol (6673c2) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:08 pmDana,
Your comments express my feelings but I’m trying not to overreact to this, precisely because I find it hard to believe someone with the opportunities Michelle Obama has had wouldn’t be proud of her country. Another NRO emailer made this point that I hope is on target:
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:09 pmWow! These comments are ignorant and ridiculous, she was just emphasizing how proud she is that the American public is finally becoming motivated to change the statecraft of this country for the better. Notice she also said, “in my adult life”, she was a child when the civil rights movement was taking place as well as the intense emotions surrounding the Vietnam war. So, in essence, she is right! When is the last time there was a movement with such electricity and passion? Americans DO want change, at least intelligent Americans, I don’t know who isn’t sick of lobbyists dictating legislature at our expense, besides perhaps the CEOs and anyone else whose getting a fat paycheck. And, “Vic”, when in the hell did we defeat communism? WWII involved Fascism, and Korea was bull****, Vietnam was a joke, we accomplished nothing but the senseless killing of innocent people. Containment? Ha! it’s idiotic to wage a war against an ideology, just as it is to wage war on a tactic, such as “terror”. Get it together guys, Obama’s going to be the next president and he will do a damn good job. And Michelle is going to make one hell of a first lady!
Justine (083472) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:13 pmDRJ, I don’t believe its overreacting but rather taking it at face value. Michelle Obama is an experienced speaker and practiced lawyer who knows better than most how things are construed and perceived in a public forum.
If she was making the statement as a comparison to her views of Clinton’s 8 years, then perhaps it would have been helpful to have been qualified as such. Or perhaps, a mention of just what there is in America to make her proud, whether or not her statement was an obligatory hyperbole that plagues all campaigns or her actual view.
(On a personal note, complaining about America (whether hyperbole or not) is always perplexing when it comes from one who has so obviously and immensely benefited from what our country has to offer…).
Dana (ddd5ec) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:27 pmThis obviously spells the downfall of Obama. I just don’t see how he could possibly recover from this.
Harry (7f8231) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:29 pmI am a 62 year old white woman and I can understand what she is saying. I love my country but I have not been proud of my country. I am not proud of our elected leaders that put us in a war based on really bad information rather than being absolutely sure their information was correct. I am not proud of the lives that have been lost and how that has affected so many people. I am not proud that we were the leaders of the world and now our allies walk away from us. I am not proud of the fact that the only things that get done in Washington only serves the needs of the politicians, special interest groups and huge corporations. I am not proud that the middle class is having their dreams of having a better live than their parents is disappearing. I am not proud that the government does not protect our food source, toys and we end up with antifreeze in our toothpaste and mouth wash. I am not proud of the treatment our wounded soldiers receive in the VA hospitals. I am not proud of the fact that 2.5 years after Katrina we still have people displaced , homeless or living in trailers that are toxic.
I am proud that I was part of the feminist movement and the civil rights movement having been born and raised in the South. I am also proud to be standing in a moment in history where we have the first woman and African American that actually got the opportunity to run for President. I am not so proud of the political party I have belonged to my entire voting life which is Republican. I am proud I have switched to Independent and will be voting for which ever Democratic candidate gets the nomination.
If you feel the need to attack put it to good use and attack more of the same if McCain wins. Don’t fight within your party, over a word or a sentence, and divide it. Either candidate will be better than what you have or may get.
Ann (147a90) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:30 pmI will just add one more thing. Why are you assuming she is referring to Clinton. I would think she is talking about the divisiveness that Bush has used on all of us.
Ann (147a90) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:33 pmReagan.
Pablo (99243e) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:35 pmIs it too much to ask that our President is an American?
nk (6ef207) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:45 pmAnn #28,
I don’t know if she was just talking about Clinton but I hope she was. However, Michelle Obama is the one who specifically referenced her adult life. She’s 44 so that means she’s been an adult for 23 years (or longer, depending on how you view adulthood). Maybe it seems like a quarter century to you but Presidents Bush and Clinton together haven’t been in office near that long.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/18/2008 @ 5:47 pmDRJ
I think you’re very charitable to Michelle to think this is the product of youthful mispokenness. However, she is in her 40’s, an Ivy League trained lawyer and a formidable public speaker.
Her UCLA speech gives lie, IMHO, that this quote was a fluke.
Darleen (187edc) — 2/18/2008 @ 6:00 pmPablo–she was born in 1964, so Reagan’s first term isn’t part of her adult years. And frankly, as a young adult during that period, I don’t remember much enthusiasm for Reagan–it was more intense dislike of Carter that motivated most of the people whom I knew. The enthusiastic/idealistic people I knew then generally voted for Anderson. (So did I. But I’m not claiming to be enthusiastic or idealistic.)
And, while I don’t subscribe to the ipssissum verbum , I agree with her general sentiment. All my adult life (I haven’t quite hit the midcentury mark) politics has been characterized by a general trend to increasing toxiciy and corruption in which both Republicans and Democrats can share the blame. So it’s good for someone to come out and call for doing politics another way.
Mind you, I don’t intend to vote for Obama in November. I’ll be voting for either the Libertarian Party candidate (yes, call me idealistic if you wish:)) if he is the nominee, or McCain, if Hillary is the nominee.
But I do wish his approach was used more often by other politicians.
kishnevi (2dbd61) — 2/18/2008 @ 6:01 pmCarol
Can we get off this sideshow and get back to the real issues? If this is all you can find to throw at the Obama campaign, try again
Ok Carol. Give me one solid substantial policy that Obama promises to do (other than his surrendering in Iraq. We get that.)
Right now, Barry and Michelle are all music and no lyric.
Darleen (187edc) — 2/18/2008 @ 6:03 pmWell said, Darleen #32. However, I’m not overly impressed with Ivy League lawyers and I figure they are just as likely to misspeak as the next guy.
What bothered me the most is that Michelle Obama was very convincing when she said it was the first time she’s been proud of her country. She’s 44 years old so, if that’s true, it isn’t a spur of the moment thing — it’s a choice. That’s why I want to be sure she meant it that way.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/18/2008 @ 6:10 pmDarleen–if you go to the Obama website, you’ll find a scad of policy proposals to poke holes in. But he prefers to give speeches full of sound and fury, which is why they seem missing.
kishnevi (202292) — 2/18/2008 @ 6:27 pmkishnevi
Vapid is the word that comes to mind.
‘course it doesn’t keep people like Susan Sarandon from going all gooey
LOL!!
Darleen (187edc) — 2/18/2008 @ 6:30 pmOf course she meant it that way.But watch for the backtracking now that it is going to become a bone in Mr. Empty Suit’s throat.
Edward Cropper (0ae0e6) — 2/18/2008 @ 6:36 pmWould those be the French allies who elected a pro-American leader, the German allies who elected a pro-American leader, the Polish allies who have repeatedly and vocally affirmed their mission in Iraq, The Aussies who elected yet another pro-American leaver, and the billboards preceding the President’s visit to Africa thanking him for the assistance that only his administration has offered the continent?
I’m curious about which allies have been walking away from us. Seems to be that when most of our allies go to the ballot boxes, they move closer to us. And we’re gaining new allies.
Jimmie (ceffaa) — 2/18/2008 @ 6:37 pmPeople are hungry for Change. Yes, people are hungry for Your Change ($$). They think Obama will take it from you and give it to them.
Lily Simmons (9d9b60) — 2/18/2008 @ 6:49 pmI’m getting a kick out of the Obama supporters suddenly showing up with their little talking points.
I’m not making any accusations … but gee, I’d sure like to do a couple of IP traces …
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/18/2008 @ 7:10 pm*cough*wt*cough*
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/18/2008 @ 7:20 pmScott and SPQR,
Don’t you enjoy the fact that we are finally a nation of “hope and change”?
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/18/2008 @ 7:25 pmTo all you Obama apologists who sympathize with her because of the horrible presidency of Bush. Guess what morons, the last 8 years do not make American history. If you are so consumed by your hatred of Bush to see that he has been only one of 43 presidents in 200 plus years of existence, then there really is no hope for you. Last time I checked, our independence wasn’t won in 2000.
Hope pitifully stupid can you really be?
Jack Burton (7df607) — 2/18/2008 @ 7:26 pmOnce the sheeple elect the O’s, it will be interesting to watch an America hater at the nation’s helm. I think the ecstatic fainting will stop fairly shortly after inaugaration.
Her words are an exact reflection of the prevailing feeling on the left, that they love an America that exists only in their imagination, not the America that actually exists. Only when we achieve a Platonic ideal of nationhood will they be happy, and they are hoping to take over the White House and the Congress to achieve that goal. God save us.
Patricia (f56a97) — 2/18/2008 @ 7:44 pmWow, Patterico.
I hope the Obama campaign is paying rent now that they’ve moved in.
Also, check for Che flags.
Merovign (4744a2) — 2/18/2008 @ 7:51 pmJust now we became that?
Please, allow me a moment of EXTREME cynicism and snark. This will sound BAD…
If it’s just now happened, who let the freaking darkies get them some college learning?
/bileandhate
Sorry, but for a woman who has enjoyed COUNTLESS benifits of being in this country, that whole family can kiss my hairy white ass.
I guess she has no respect for the education she got, the jobs she’s had, or the jobs her HUSBAND has had, which pissed me the fuck off, since before he bacame one of the two embarassemnts Illinois sends to the US Senate, he was mucking around in my STATE’S politics.
*spit*
Fuck the lot of them.
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/18/2008 @ 7:51 pmWhat is wrong with you Nessuno? Do you really think that Barack Obama refuses to salute the flag?
Nathan (e2d85b) — 2/18/2008 @ 7:54 pmIt’s people like you that keep yellow journalism alive and well, because you will believe anything. Pathetic.
Nathan, you would be right if there were’nt, you know, pictures on the internet…
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/18/2008 @ 7:57 pmHope and change.
I HOPE his CHANGE doesn’t wipe out my 401K. I don’t think he will CHANGE the social security system, so tehre’s little HOPE it will be there for me. I’ll have to work until I die.
Navig8r (62662f) — 2/18/2008 @ 8:03 pmRemeber Clinton’s Campaign song? “Don’t Stop Thinking About Tomorrow”?
Yeah, with Obama on the horizon, I REALLY can’t stop. As in, I can’t get to sleep at night with the worry.
They are actually making McCain look good, and THAT is no small feat…
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/18/2008 @ 8:10 pmIt really comes down to this. If she’s never been proud of this great nation despite all the monumental things we’ve done, what exactly is it that I can expect she and her husband will do if they win? If they don’t like what’s made us great, why on earth should be trust them at all?
Jack Burton (7df607) — 2/18/2008 @ 8:11 pmGee Scott,
The chance that a black person may be elected has unleashed some rather dark thoughts from you. Looks like you were hoping for an opportunity to talk like that.
Those comments rank right up there with Christoph, Tired and some others in terms of lack of class — congrats.
voiceofreason2 (13d3c4) — 2/18/2008 @ 8:18 pmThanks, idiot.
It appears the point of the comment went right over your head.
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/18/2008 @ 8:25 pmSome forty years ago my rich Uncle, Samuel allowed me to do a lot of travelling throughout Asia and Africa. Mrs. Obama has probably travelled at least as much.
Peter (c36902) — 2/18/2008 @ 9:09 pmIf she cannot see how good even poor people in America live as compared to the wealthy in Africa she has absolutely wasted that expensive education.
How can someone not be proud of America? When people who work at entry level jobs still drive to work. Still go to bed with food in their cupboards. Does Mrs. Obama realize that even the poor in America have refrigerators? Does she go around with a blindfold on?
I swear, there ain’t much dumber than a lib.
If America is so bad how come we have half the world trying to get in. Seems like we’d have an illegal emigration problem. But, no. People are still risking their lives to sneak in, rather than out. Who woulda thunk?
OBama and his Teresa Kerry is sufficiently liberal that I think a great many Conservatives are going to realize there is more at stake than the sanctity of the GOP. I think Mccain will prove to have been quite a wise choice. Even if I don’t agree with him 30% of the time.
Jem (4cdfb7) — 2/18/2008 @ 10:10 pmLOVE OF GOD , LOVE OF ONE’S OWN COUNTRY ARE BASIC TENETS OF THE AMERICAN IDEALS AND BELIEFS. AMERICA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD, THE
jimmy vekmen (6e5748) — 2/18/2008 @ 10:34 pmLAND OF THE FREE AND THE HOME OF THE BRAVE.
WHAT A SAD THING FOR A WANNABE FIRST LADY TO SAY
ABOUT HER OWN COUNTRY TO MILLIONS OF US AMERICANS WHO TRULY LOVE OUR COUNTRY AND ARE WILLING TO FIGHT FOR IT AS OUR TROOPS AR DOING. I WONDER IF SHE AND OBAMA SHARE THE SAME FEELINGS ABOUT OUR GREAT COUNTRY
jimmy, the proper use of the caps lock key is also a basic tenet of American ideals.
SPQR (26be8b) — 2/18/2008 @ 10:47 pmThe new media has become a willing partner in the Obama manicial frenzy. He has never indicated what he planned to do as president, should he be elected – just slogans. How can Americans be taken it by this totally inexperienced man who has carried on such a vacuous campaign.
Barb (8d86fb) — 2/18/2008 @ 10:49 pmSPQR, as I have often said…
Capslock: cruise control to cool
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/19/2008 @ 12:22 amPeople…relax a little here.
She may have had a poor choice of words, but her intentions are good.
Hilary says she doesn’t like rhetoric; well here is your straight talk.
How many of you are really proud of the way this country has behaved in the recent past? How many of you have walked the streets of a country in Europe or Asia in the last 6 years and experienced the less than warm greeting for local because you are American? I can tell you this, I have. I can also tell you that 20 years ago, walking similar streets, I would be invited in to people’s homes BECAUSE I was American.
With the sole exception of the patriotism inspired by the horrors of 9/11, when is the last time people have, en mass, been truly excited about be Americans?
I am a proud Veteran, I an grateful that I am an American. I am certainly not very proud of my country right now. I am proud of our freedom; I am proud of our soldiers, but proud of the face that America show to the world? Sorry, not right now.
Maybe it would be clearer if I said I love America, but I am not sure I like it very much right now.
Lighten up folks; she was being excited about the hope, the enthusiasm, the huge turn outs and new voter registrations at the polls. She is being excited about the future and being HONEST about her feelings.
God bless America
John E (42816b) — 2/19/2008 @ 6:13 amYou originally misquoted her. This has been fixed, thank you.
The actual version suggests that she has been proud before, most likely of many of the things that people mention here. However, she may feel that because this is the first time that a black man and a woman have a genuine chance to become president, she can be unreservedly proud. That’s pretty easy to understand, and pretty easy to misinterpret if you are looking for something to beat the Obama campaign with.
Regards,
Irving.
Irving Washington (b693a8) — 2/19/2008 @ 6:13 amIrving
Do you know Kipling’s poem Tommy?
Well, America is the world’s “Tommy” as Israel is the world’s “Jew”.
My pride in my country isn’t dependant on someone else’s opinion. Most people aren’t liked when they do the right thing rather than the expedient thing.
Darleen (187edc) — 2/19/2008 @ 7:06 amI’d be really proud of a country that values free speech, that allows it’s citizens to express their views, especially those conveying hope and positive feelings, without fear of having their words and meanings strip from the speech, and instead replaced with false accusations.
Over the last six years, we’ve forsaken what it’s meant to be truly patriotic. Instead, we pride ourselves on rabidly jumping on anyone who even dares to hint at something being ‘not right’ with the country. That’s not what it means to be an American. American is the greatest place in the world because people can express their opinions, they can make statements like this, and they can call for hope and change without fear of being attacked for being unpatriotic, supporting terrorists, or having death-threats leveled at them.
And that’s exactly why I’m voting for John McCain.
Dave (d7c531) — 2/19/2008 @ 7:11 amjust another sheboon
chisolm (645c80) — 2/19/2008 @ 7:25 amWOW!
Wasn’t she proud of her country while at Princeton and Yale?
Wasn’t she proud while making a salary of 6 figures?
OR is she just throwing RACE into the picture?
The things CHILDREN/people say!
Jim K (786b97) — 2/19/2008 @ 7:29 amNot even proud of the destruction of Confederate treason? I guess we didn’t really finish the job. Meh, I’ll chalk it up to innocent hyperbole and salesman’s puffery.
stef (688568) — 2/19/2008 @ 7:49 am“Ok Carol. Give me one solid substantial policy that Obama promises to do (other than his surrendering in Iraq. We get that.)”
I went to the Obama website and clicked on “issues.” There I picked one that wasn’t so hot button like Iraq or terror — just clicked on “technology.” I got a good idea of the direction he would take policy and even some specific policies he would extend.
Have you tried that?
stef (e4f51d) — 2/19/2008 @ 8:02 amstef…actually I have…
It’s the MSM that hasn’t…so the “public” is not being told what he will/won’t do…
reff (bff229) — 2/19/2008 @ 8:19 am“It’s the MSM that hasn’t…so the “public” is not being told what he will/won’t do…”
I guess people need to take some personal responsibility before whining about how little they know about a candidate. Good for you!
stef (ae4236) — 2/19/2008 @ 8:32 amOne who “hope” the future First Lady would always have pride for her country, even if she disagrees with current policy & specific historial events. This comment does show what lies beneath the surface, just as stolen speeches & Obama smoking 3 packs of cigarettes a day demonstrates a broader personal picture of the candidiate, something they prefer to keep hidden. I am not condemning or condoning any of this behavior & I am not against/for Obama, but Barack claims to want transparency yet hides aspects of his character from voters unless caught in the lie. This seems duplicitious & is disconcerting.
M. Santos (4b8037) — 2/19/2008 @ 8:34 amFinally motivated. I cannot believe the hypocrisy. Everyone of us is motivated to change in our own way. We rise in the morning-we go to work-etc.,etc.,etc.,–CHANGE is ever evolving. Nothing is static. For her to imply that her supporters are representative of change rather than Senator Clinton’s is what I find despicable. HRC is a former first ladyx2/sitting Senator//woman//visionary–not to mention a candidate with a former President stumping for her. I am disgusted at the level of minimization that HRC gets. This is blatant racism and gender bashing right before our eyes. Proud for the first time that a campaign is willing to suppress the votes of the people in Mi/Fla—How about a change for the voter oppression instead of blacks that have had opportunity for years and as a culture continue to squander them..And please stop giving these two excuses–she is a grown woman and responsible for her actions–What a pathetic image to portray to the world–START LOOKING AT THEIR CORE VALUES OF THEIR CHURCH and read the #4 vision statement—
jane (8daead) — 2/19/2008 @ 8:40 amMichelle Obama’s words may be taken out of context a bit, but honestly — I do not want the First Lady of the United States of America to show such a lack of judgement on how her words could be perceived. This last Obama campaign “stumble” along with Obama using someone elses sppeech is why I’m heading toward supporting Clinton in the primary.
Tamara (92c1be) — 2/19/2008 @ 8:43 amHow vain it is to be proud of one’s country when it is politically advantageous to her husband’s presidential aspirations. I will give Mrs. Obama something to be proud of in her adulthood: the many heroes that came to the fore and sacrificed their lives on September 11, 2001. The courage and dedication that countless Americans showed on this day and since (thank God for all of our military personnel at home and oversees) have been an inspiration to me and have surely made me proud to be an American (by the way I have always been proud of this country and always will).
John Paul (7c97bf) — 2/19/2008 @ 8:45 amIf people are going to criticize the lady at least get the quote right: “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.”
Tom Krajewski (d74876) — 2/19/2008 @ 9:12 amFocus on the words: adult lifetime, really, my country. Really! Did the lady say she has never been proud of her country in the last 25 years? NO, she said she was now she was REALLY proud of her country. She was proud before but now she was really proud to see the positive response to a call for a better America.
I was in the service of my country 40 years ago in Louisiana. I saw the white only drinking fountains. I saw white servicemen arrested for disturbing the peace because they entered black bars. I saw Jim Crow in all his ugliness. Ten days ago a Michelle’s husband got nearly as many white votes in that state as McCain and Huckabee did. That made me REALLY proud of my country. I was in the audience yesterday when Michelle spoke. This 60 yr male cried tears of joy as I realized America could reach its full potential.
Her speech, the whole speech, was amazing. Well spoken and with confidence and sincerity.
She said she was really proud that americans are standing united and want change and are using their voice as The People to make change happen.
It’s simple. The speech was awesome and so inspriring I sat awake for hours just thinking about it last night. I knew what she meant when she said what she said. If anyone took it as offensive then they weren’t listening to her.
SteaM (982b11) — 2/19/2008 @ 9:17 amAnd here I was really proud when we won the Cold War, pulled together after 9-11, put a black man on the Supreme court…
She must not like that stuff…
I reitterate: Fuck the whole family. They have so little to be proud in, they can fuck right off and leave. I’ll help the SOBs pack.
Scott Jacobs (3c07ad) — 2/19/2008 @ 9:18 amTO: John E — You say Michelle’s intentions are good. Michelle’s chief intention is to get Obama in the White House. These speeches are sales pitches to entice voters to buy their product. Revealing your three decades of feeling shame in America isn’t going to win many votes, despite your heartfelt honesty or how the phrase was intended. Michelle implies that in her entire adult life, she has not been genuinely (really) proud of her country. Magically, when people support her husband, finally, she can be proud of her country. Voters who support Clinton would probably continue her spiral of shame for America. Yet, if supporting Obama, there is “hope.” Our savior has arrived & I see the light. This comes across as self-serving & arrogant, not to mention unappreciative for all that America has survived, accomplished & provided for her citizens. America deserves more respect from Michelle Obama. In fact, we should all be counting our blessings that we have been fortunate enough to live in America. If you don’t have faith that America is one of the greatest countries on Earth, perhaps you shouldn’t be running for its highest office.
M. Santos (4b8037) — 2/19/2008 @ 9:21 amAnd we will have to keep making excuses and helping them out of their blunders/mistakes if elected. Excuses, not right. Let us see if she publicly corrects it. She probably will not.
derry (1a2030) — 2/19/2008 @ 9:47 amI was VERY disappointed in Michelle’s attack (when in DE) , she passionately said, Hillary can’t run her own house, how is she going to run the White House?
Their compaigns are saying words do mean something, WELL…..
Think, think, think …
“I would also understand a young person like Michelle Obama who might be enthusiastic about American politics for the first time”
Huh? She’s 44 years old! That’s not so young. She’s been an adult since 1982.
It seems that Ms. Obama is trying to out-do Bill Clinton in making foolish, harmful statements on behalf of their spouses’ campaigns. I’ve had Democrat friends tell me that they were going to vote for Obama until they heard Ms. Obama’s comments about not being sure that she would vote for Hillary if she is elected. Ms. Obama would be well-advised to say less.
C. Alexander (5389cb) — 2/19/2008 @ 9:48 amC’mon people, get a life. Pride in America is a different concept than being a proud American.
How many of us have a friend, spouse, parent that we love dearly and will always defend, but then at some moment of opportunity or tragedy they show us a side that we knew was there, but made us really and truly proud and we take another look at them with a new and re-energized eye.
For her, this is that moment in America. What’s wrong with that?
Eric (30cdc6) — 2/19/2008 @ 9:53 amI am very disturbed that only now Michele Obama is proud of her country. What about civil rights, their education from this country. What about landing on the moon and WWII and all the things this country has done that is great. Only her husband running for president has made her proud. I do not think she should be first lady of all the people.
Susan Azia (d671ab) — 2/19/2008 @ 10:03 amTom Krajewski wrote: I was in the audience yesterday when Michelle spoke. This 60 yr male cried tears of joy as I realized America could reach its full potential.
What brought you, Tom, to Patterico to address this? And that question is also directed to Carol, Dinah, and others whom I have never detected on this blog before. Is this some sort of organized Obama outreach program?
L.N. Smithee (d1de1b) — 2/19/2008 @ 10:34 amI think this whole issue is a farce! She said is was first time she’d been REALLY proud. She’s been proud of her country before, she was just emphasizing the significance of this moment for her. And Republicans say that Democrats are sensitive ones?!!
Clint (e7f481) — 2/19/2008 @ 10:37 amDo you really and truly think that’s what she meant, Clint?
Scott Jacobs (3c07ad) — 2/19/2008 @ 10:40 amAs a 60 year old happily married, mother, and registered democrat who never had Michelle’s opportunities, yet fought for them as a vocal and political feminist, I am disgusted with her selfish arrogance. She is unthankful, and her husband a plagiarist. How sad for our party.
kathleen buttici (247426) — 2/19/2008 @ 10:46 amIt’s eye-opening when you realize they are utterly ungrateful, isn’t it, Kathleen?
Scott Jacobs (3c07ad) — 2/19/2008 @ 10:53 am“The first time I am really proud….”
How utterly arrogant and self-rewarding this comment is. Michelle Obama has been an “adult” for over 20-something years and some of the country getting behind her equally if not more-arrogant husband is the “first time she is really proud”?
Hillary has to be one of the most intelligent women on the planet, and to not put her in office in this desperate time for the American people to regain our reputation, our economy, our troops and our security will be another “shame on us” moment just like 2004.
Why people want to roll the dice with a complete unknown who is trying so hard to come off as a Martin Luther/JFK hybrid is beyond me. We need someone who knows what they are doing for at least the next term.
Regards
Sean Bennett (c36902) — 2/19/2008 @ 11:10 amSean Bennett
I find it fascinating that the “mainstream media” and the “right wing media” has not attacked her the way they attacked another presidential spouse, Bill Clinton, when he made similary dumb statements regarding Martin Luther King and President Johnson,claiming it was racist…he was pretty much vilified. Is there a double standard here…I don’t believe she meant to imply that she was never proud of her country prior to her husband running for president and winning many of the primaries, but things you say count, and can be construed by many people to fit and impression they may have been harboring about you, and because of that statement by her now feel free to express those concerns…I’d just like to see balance in the reporting which has not been there up to this point.
Herb (67eed8) — 2/19/2008 @ 11:49 amThe Obamas true colors are shining through and they are not red white and blue! Michelle is barely grown, she is wallowing in her miserable childhood, youth, and adulthood. Stuck here in this horrible country living the middle class dream, going to college, and law school then making six figures. I just wanna cry for her. Rosa Parks and other civil rights heros must be a turning in their graves. If you dont like the USA get out! As the grandaughter of immigrants who came to this country in the belly of a ship I would not vote for Obama if he were the only candidate running. “To whom much is given much is expected” if Obama wants to steal that quote, God wrote it and it is from the Bible. Lastly Obama is bi racial not african amerian God rest his white mothers soul. Maybe the Obamas got their distaste for America while living abroad. I dont think Obama spent but a couple years in the states whilst growing up. I love America…This Second Generation American is thankful her grandparents left everything behind and came to this amazing country. Illegal Aliens are more proud of America than the Obamas. I see Obama still wont wear an American flag pin. What a pity.
Lynn (f7d08a) — 2/19/2008 @ 12:07 pmTo: Tom Krajewski — I enjoyed reading your heartfelt, emotional post. Please understand that the Obama campaign is based on “WORDS MATTER.” To hold Michelle Obama accountable for her words is justified. You said you “cried tears of joy as you realized America could reach its full potential.” Given your earlier comments, it would appear that you are supporting Obama primarily because he is black. You made no other references to Obama’s abilities. This would be as foolish as voting for Hillary because she is a woman. The candidate’s qualifications & experience for the position should be the chief deciding factors when casting one’s vote, not one’s skin color or gender. We cannot forgive the sins of our ancestors by electing Obama as compensation. If Obama is nominated & then elected as President of the United States, it should be based on substance not circumstance. America’s full potential will not be reached until all forms of discrimination & reverse discrimination vanish, when our decisions are based on abilities, performance & demonstrated competence.
M. Santos (4b8037) — 2/19/2008 @ 12:52 pmNot first lady material!
Dave Phoenix (4a3d29) — 2/19/2008 @ 1:00 pmDid anyone else have trouble w/a Harvard graduate referring to her adulthood as her ‘adult lifetime’?
I agree w/Dave Phoenix’s “Not first lady material!” and would add that she’s not exactly lady material, period, w/her comments about ‘kissing her husband’s ass’ and about his ‘driving while Black’ etc.
Knowing how to say (and mean ) the words “please” and “thank you” are hallmarks of civility. Michelle Obama seems not to understand or employ the significance of either word. Her husband, on the other hand, has a handle on using language effectively and smoothly, albeit devoid of substance, truth or even meaning.
Totalitarians of all stripes have been known to use the mantra of “Change and Hope”. B. Obama has hidden agendas. His wife’s agenda is more telling: “Give me the bully pulpit of the White House to moan and rag in for the next 4 to 8 years. Why?Because I deserve it.”
Daisy (e4673c) — 2/19/2008 @ 1:54 pmTo M.Santos
I am supporting Barack Obama because he is calling us to our better nature, because he is telling us that Democracy is not easy, because he has the ability and desire to bring the country together. I am proud of America because they are responding to his call, and because they are supporting him in spite of the fact he is black.
Tom Krajewski (d74876) — 2/19/2008 @ 2:09 pmIt really is precious that you actually believe that.
Scott Jacobs (3c07ad) — 2/19/2008 @ 2:21 pmWell said, Darleen.
I would also say that one student in Tienamen Square or on in Prague’s main squarely quoting from our Bill of Rights or Declaration of Independence in defiance of real repression trumps a thousand surly US-bashers.
Patricia (aaa977) — 2/19/2008 @ 2:30 pmIt really is precious that you actually believe that.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 2/19/2008
It is just killing you to see Obama talk. Your offensive rhetoric is evidence of that in at least a couple of comments.
voiceofreason2 (10af7e) — 2/19/2008 @ 2:33 pmBtw Marshall was the first black man appointed to the SC in 1967 — Mrs. Obama was three at the time – how old were you?
How old were you???
I was 26, and had already served a full-tour, and thought that Mr. Marshall was a poor choice for the Court, but good politics.
And, yes, I hear Barack talk, but I fail to hear him say anything. So far, the only talent that he has demonstrated, is that of an empty-suit.
Another Drew (f9dd2c) — 2/19/2008 @ 2:42 pmThen as one who lived in Europe 20 years ago, I can tell you that you are full of crap. They were every bit as down on America then as they are now. In fact, a 1987 survey in West Germany trusted the dictator of the Soviet Union more than they trusted the duly elected President of the United States. So pardon me while I yack rather than feel a tinge of guilt over the fact that the some schlocks don’t like us today, either.
Xrlq (b71926) — 2/19/2008 @ 2:44 pmObama is our Savior. Please everyone, you must realize that Michelle as a African American has been wronged by america. Obama will treaty with our Muslim brothers. Barak and Michelle need to have the opportunity to create change by teaching americans on the errors of their ways!
Obama is God (4bcdf8) — 2/19/2008 @ 3:02 pmBesides the one sarcastic comment you apparently were too dense to grasp the purpose behind, quote two.
Don’t say “find them yourself”, quote them to me.
And yeah, it kills me to see Obama talk, but only because he has yet to actually SAY anything…
Pretty words don’t make substance, sorry to say.
Now, get to quoting…
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/19/2008 @ 3:11 pmThey were every bit as down on America then as they are now.
And for very different reasons. Is there a link to that 1987 West German survey?
It doesn’t bother me our government embarrasses me in Europe. It embarrasses me our lobbyist-written trade deals are not helping us retain jobs and the forces driving down our wages and cutting our jobs are not located in America – they are in our trading partners.
steve (85e219) — 2/19/2008 @ 3:12 pmMichelle Obama did not say anthying wrong.
sciarra (3d0a9d) — 2/19/2008 @ 3:29 pmIt’s about time that America which is made up of every kind of human being from all backgrounds to be able to elect a man who is not white.
And for Mrs. McCain to try to make something out of nothing is wrong. She should be talking to Huckabee’s wife to get him to drop out.
Michell Obama did not say anything wrong.
sciarra (3d0a9d) — 2/19/2008 @ 3:30 pmI apologize for the typo from 103.
So race isn’t important, as long as you aren’t white?
You’re amazingly racist. I haven’t given a damn about skin color a day in my life. Color doesn’t make someone good or bad. It doesn’t make them worthwhile or not.
Ideas make you worthwhile, but sadly Obama doesn’t have any.
Ok, sure, he has idea on what to do with your money (give it to other people), but how do you think he plans on funding his grand socialist utopia? It certainly won’t be from spending cuts. Well, cuts from any places besides the Military and Law enforcement.
I’ll elect a black man (or black woman) to the Oval Office when one comes forward who is equal to the job. To vote for Obama JUST because he’s black will make certain there’s never a second black president…
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/19/2008 @ 3:34 pmHOW DARE YOU POOR WHITE TRASH
diane howell (9f2f37) — 2/19/2008 @ 4:28 pmTom Krajewski wrote: I am supporting Barack Obama because he is calling us to our better nature, because he is telling us that Democracy is not easy, because he has the ability and desire to bring the country together. I am proud of America because they are responding to his call, and because they are supporting him in spite of the fact he is black.
Oh, brrrrother. Let’s break this down, shall we?
What does that mean, exactly? What is “our better nature,” and what does it have to do with addressing serious issues? Is this some implication that he holds some mysterious secret to making politics painless, or at least, less contentious? It is reminiscent of the way John Kerry said he regularly had conversations with world leaders who were offended by President Bush, and promised us he knew the way to build a larger international coalition to assist the Iraq war effort. But, he said, he wasn’t going to give away his secret methods unless the country elected him Commander-in-Chief. Apparently, America decided that was too high a price to pay.
***Sigh*** Being a lifelong resident of San Francisco, I know that the word “democracy” as spoken by liberals (or “progressives”) is different from its dictionary definition. It usually means “People screaming by the thousands in the streets should sway government policy.”
However way you mean “Democracy is not easy,” it is worth reminding you what you learned in high school Civics (or didn’t learn, if you were a class-cutter): The United States of America is NOT a “democracy,” it’s a constitutional republic. It’s not a mob-rules state, to the chagrin of people in Berkeley.
I know you don’t really believe that, because you would have to be an imbecile, and I don’t believe you are one.
Obama is pro-partial birth abortion; how is he going to “bring together” those who are dead-set against it? Obama is for universal health care; how does he plan to institute a system in which everyone is covered without crippling the pharmaceutical and insurance industries, and causing the types of lengthy delays common in countries like Canada and Great Britain? Obama is for gay marriage; how does he plan to deal with those states which have constitutional prohibitions on the possibility? What magic words will he say to make those objections vanish?
No politician, no matter how skilled, can “bring the country together” on issues in which there is such a deep, wide, sincere divide without offending one side, or even both sides (as President Bush did with his 2001 decision to ban federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research).
I put it to you Obamaniacs to inform me of what I don’t know: Exactly what has he done to convince you that “he has the ability and desire to bring the country together”? Whom has he brought together heretofore?
As a black man, I am flabbergasted that so many Americans — black, white, Hispanic, whatever — are so easily swayed by such flimsy rhetoric. In addition to this being evidence of substandard public education, I think maybe the reason is that there has not been in a generation a public speaker with his chops, and we have all had to suffer through seven years of the verbal and grammatical struggles of George W. Bush, the worst public-speaking President at least in the history of recorded sound (which goes back to Benjamin Harrison).
Obama’s wrapped countless people around his finger by promising that he is the source of great things. What things? That’s not important. How will he bring them? Once again, not important. What’s important is that he has convinced everyone else HE can do it, whatever “it” is. Every time I see crowds revved up by his promises to excise everything objectionable about American politics, I think to myself, “Am I the only person who sees through this? When did I wake up and become Einstein?”
Now, bringing it back to Michelle’s words: I wonder what she was thinking when she either heard or read what French PM Nicholas Sarkozy said about the United States, and the reasons why he has such affection for the nation. Imagine that – a world leader giving a rousing, heartfelt speech about the reasons Americans should be proud. Obama was present as Sarkozy said, among other things, the following:
Was Michelle moved to agreement? Or was she grinding her teeth in her “frustration and disappointment”?
Finally — as a frequent contributor to this blog, the flocking to a thread on this topic by Obama defenders leads me to believe that perhaps you know how huge a gaffe this was, and you are all on internet damage-control duty.
Nice try.
L.N. Smithee (0931d2) — 2/19/2008 @ 4:32 pmBlack poverty went from 33% to 21% in the Clinton years. Perhaps she could have been proud of that. We pushed for an end to apartheid in South Africa, which finally worked. We brought in the Internet Age in this country – not inventing the Web but certainly making the most of it. We brought more and more rights to gay so they can live more normal, unfearful lives. Etc., etc. All within her adult lifetime. Yeah, I know she was just trying to tar the Clintons but tarred everyone else. It happens. When you’re an amateur.
Desider (6e8ed6) — 2/19/2008 @ 4:36 pmCYBER-COWARDS
diane howell (9f2f37) — 2/19/2008 @ 4:44 pmIGORANCE as well as RACISM is still alive and well in America.
diane howell (9f2f37) — 2/19/2008 @ 4:50 pmBeautifully said, L. N. Smithee.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/19/2008 @ 4:53 pmMichelle made 2 speeches.
In the 1st speech, she said “I’m proud”. Then in the 2nd speech, she tweaked it to “I’m really proud”. Boston Globe’s quote was correct originally.
Here’s the video
Fred Hoyle (77ec81) — 2/19/2008 @ 5:23 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGjR81pFJI4
Desider, look something up for me…
Poverty rate for blacks under Reagan.
I’ll be waiting for your answer…
Scott Jacobs (a1de9d) — 2/19/2008 @ 7:37 pmMrs. Obama, everyday that you are free to live in a free society, because of the sacrifices made by brave men and women in our Armed Forces you should be proud of your country–seems your statement only takes into a selfish account of YOU. Enjoy these moments of anti-Hillary votes as you will, but please don’t make the mistake of discounting the proud moments that our brave men and women in the Armed Forces give us everyday. Get over yourself and the notion that your husband has anything more to offer than mere words…here’s a person who has not served one day in the military in the defense of our way of life, yet all YOU can say is YOU are recently proud of your country. Be proud that there are men and women at this very moment defending YOU and your freedoms, and there have been countless others in your lifetime that deserve your gratitude as well.
JD (707617) — 2/19/2008 @ 7:57 pmWhat is wrong with everybody so what Michelle said what she said, let that woman be proud of her husband and what he is trying to do for America. As for everyone who keeps saying what about all the things we do for aids victims in Africa and everything we do for all these other countries, we have people dying right here, peole starving with no homes to live in and no jobs right here in America everyday and are doing nothing about it. Michelle isn’t running for president Obama is and we want to say “In God We Trust” DO WE REALLY?
Deshunta Wright (ba3429) — 2/19/2008 @ 10:40 pmShe’s an idiot and her husband is a plagarist and a liar. Thanks for giving us President McCain you Obamaniac twits.
REality (451fd3) — 2/19/2008 @ 11:09 pmFirst of all who cares what color a person is if they had the Qualifications to run Our Awesome Country right? The problem here is i aint feeling where Obama is Qualified. I saw the video where everyone else had their hands on their hearts for the National Anthem but him. Whats up with that?And he won’t wear his flag Lapel give me a fricken break! Maybe to some these are small things but to real Americans the Flag Represents so many things, the biggest that we are One Nation Under God, and to remind us of the ones who fought for our Freedom. Maybe he don’t like that the Pledge says you are promising to be true to the United States Of America? I am 48 and i can’t even begin to say all the reasons i am Proud to be a American I love my Country. I am so proud of the Men and the Women that have made it possible for America to be Free. I don’t see where America needs any more change, she is great, the only trouble we have in America is with two many lying politicians trying to change what has worked and what has made us a Great Country. I say screw change fix what they have caused. I am so sick of how they try to set different rules for everything and don’t fix chit. I want someone who will protect us, i am not crazy about War, but better over there than over here. I don’t like how this illegal Alien crap is going, i want it fixed.Get Guards on our borders, shoot em if you have to. Thats what Mexico would do to us. Stop this anchor baby chit made in Mexico don’t mean free ride in America! And then they want to tell us how bad our Country is, wellll get ta hell out. And start hanging people who go over in different Countries after they have reaped all the benefits from America and then run her down. Oh that pis— me off. Put God first like he was meant to be. Oh and you know the only Savior that i know is God Almighty. And as far as other Countries hating us, why do they always have us wipe their arses then?
Gracie Holder (bd560a) — 2/19/2008 @ 11:35 pmI also think her remark that her husband is a black man in America and could be shot??? Where is her head? Anyone can be shot don’t matter what color you are, the thing that gets me is when White people kill a black person it is a racial crime, but when Blacks kill white people race is never mentioned. I am not predjudice folks just stating a fact. I say it is sad that the race card is played here it stinks. A killer is a Killer no matter what color his skin is.
I (that is, L.N. Smithee) wrote to Tom Krajewski: Finally — as a frequent contributor to this blog, the flocking to a thread on this topic by Obama defenders leads me to believe that perhaps you know how huge a gaffe this was, and you are all on internet damage-control duty.
Looks like I was dead on, if I do say so myself. Heeere’s Tommy, posting about the Michelle quote all over the web. Times of London online, Wizbang, Pajamas Media, Fox News, New York Times.
See, this is what happens when people like the Obamas accidently say something instead of nothing. They’ve been keeping their powder dry until now, which is hard to do with a loose cannon like Michelle.
L.N. Smithee (bc978f) — 2/20/2008 @ 12:21 amIt looks like lots of Obama-cult believers want to “correct” Michelle Obama’s speech by quoting the later version of her speech, so here is the two different version of her speech:
http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/02/19/michelle-obama-is-proud-of-her-country/
David (dc7146) — 2/20/2008 @ 4:02 amAMAZING! If there were the spouse of any of the other candidates making this kind of statement, you can bet that CNN would be running the clip over and over and over and over and over and over and over… I’m sure you get the picture.
Obama’s biggest push came from nowhere else than from a media that protect and glamourizes him. What does he do more than talk? Now, his wife is talking in the wrong direction. And what better way to pretend this didn’t happen? …not to run it on the TV stations.
Of course, had it been Bill Clinton, it would have been playing continuously. I went looking for so many clips of how Clinton had blown up at a reporter. Trust me, I never saw it, but that’s the way the media played it. Where are their harsh criticisms now?
Unbiased media? And who is Obama’s biggest supporter? It’s disgusting. If all the other candidates got as much coverage as Obama, this might be a more realistic race. If the descriptors weren’t always negative toward one candidate and over positive for the other, I might believe in unbiased reporting.
What next?
RZjr (9e123f) — 2/20/2008 @ 7:35 amYou people are so off the mark that its not funny.What are you so upset about?Why do you say and feel that Michelle Obama needs to be put in her place? What exactly is her place?Can anyone answer taht question.SERIOUSLY
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/20/2008 @ 7:38 amsad in america wrote: You people are so off the mark that its not funny.What are you so upset about?Why do you say and feel that Michelle Obama needs to be put in her place? What exactly is her place?Can anyone answer taht question.SERIOUSLY
You know how to read. You know what we’re upset about. Quit trying to twist it into something racist, and I say that as a black man.
Your candidate’s wife screwed up. Face it.
L.N. Smithee (bc978f) — 2/20/2008 @ 7:43 amHere you go, sad in america:
BREATHES there the man with soul so dead,
nk (798403) — 2/20/2008 @ 9:12 amWho never to himself hath said,
‘This is my own, my native land!’
Whose heart hath ne’er within him burn’d
As home his footsteps he hath turn’d
From wandering on a foreign strand?
If such there breathe, go, mark him well;
For him no Minstrel raptures swell;
High though his titles, proud his name,
Boundless his wealth as wish can claim;
Despite those titles, power, and pelf,
The wretch, concentred all in self,
Living, shall forfeit fair renown,
And, doubly dying, shall go down
To the vile dust from whence he sprung,
Unwept, unhonour’d, and unsung.
She was referring to idiots like yourselves, who attack a simple statement and make her out to be Bin Laden’s concubine. This is how low our politics has gotten. She was also — ironically — referring to the way Bush attacked McCain in 2004 and questioned his service and patriotism. You guys are so gullible and fall for this crap.
Scott (224b44) — 2/20/2008 @ 9:47 amCrap like being proud of our country, Scott? You know, we don’t have an Iron Curtain. Ships and planes leave America everyday. She and you are totally free to find a country you can be proud of.
nk (798403) — 2/20/2008 @ 9:53 amScott cyberscrawled: She was referring to idiots like yourselves, who attack a simple statement and make her out to be Bin Laden’s concubine. This is how low our politics has gotten. She was also — ironically — referring to the way Bush attacked McCain in 2004 and questioned his service and patriotism. You guys are so gullible and fall for this crap.
Holy hyperbole, Batman!
Typical Barackian response. Check your talking points, pal. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Nobody here is making her out to be “Bin Laden’s concubine.” And George W. Bush NEVER, EVER questioned John McCain’s service or his patriotism in 2004 because McCain ran in 2000. OOPS! Even if you meant to say “John Kerry” rather than “John McCain,” you’re STILL wrong. Bush had nothing but good things to say about Kerry’s service. The questions about Kerry’s service came from people he served with in Vietnam. The Bush campaign had NOTHING to do with the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth, despite MSM gauze-thin stretches attempting to make a case.
L.N. Smithee (0931d2) — 2/20/2008 @ 10:11 amTalk about low politics and the same old “crap” — you Obamaniacs are practicing it and trying to convince yourself you’re not. You may fool yourselves, but you’re not fooling the rest of us. No Obama devotee should get away with calling anybody else “gullible.”
There is a significant difference between being grateful for being an American and being proud of America. I can agree with Michelle, that I am not proud of this country. I am not proud of the “false democracy” where a group of ppl can go into a room and truly decide who should run it even when that decision is contrary to the popular vote (and I hope the Democratic parties superdelegates also take heed to that); I am not proud that we would send young men and women to lay down their lives based upon a lie; I am not proud that we would kill innocent civilians (women and children) in the same countries that we claim to be protecting; I am not proud that we would detain and torture human beings for years without charging them with any crimes in the name of “national security”; I am not proud that we have allowed the democracy and freedom sought by our fore fathers to now be run by the so called “special interests.” But I am proud of the many Americans who have voluntarily gone to fight for this country at home and abroad(the crimes of those who have sent them into war are not theirs); and, I am proud of the way so many Americans have stepped up in the aftermath of the terrorists and natural disasters that have ravished this country in the last decade. So NO, I am not proud of this country BUT YES, I am proud of many of the individuals who call the land within her borders home and I am grateful to be one of those people.
TJ (3080b6) — 2/20/2008 @ 10:28 amQuestion for TJ: Is there any country that you believe someone should be “proud of,” and if so, which?
L.N. Smithee (0931d2) — 2/20/2008 @ 11:10 amSteve:
Not too different. Then they hated us for being too hard on the poor, misunderstood communists to their east. Now they hate us for being too hard on Islamic terrorists. Same B.S., different day.
Unfortunately, I haven’t been able to find it on the web, as Al Gore hadn’t gotten around to creating the Internet back then. If memory and a little Googling serve, it ran in Welt am Sonntag on May 10, 1987, but their searchable archive doesn’t seem to go back that far (a search for the entire year for the name “Reagan” yielded no hits).
Scott:
How gullible would one have to be in order to fall for your crap about Bush having attacked McCain’s service or patriotism, especially in a year in which he did not even run against him? Ironic, indeed.
Xrlq (b71926) — 2/20/2008 @ 12:03 pm#107,118, 126…from one minority to another, brilliantly said! Kudos.
Dana (b4a26c) — 2/20/2008 @ 1:03 pmPeople, people, if you actually watch the video of her speech, you will see and hear her say she is “really proud”, which means she’s always been proud of this country, just now she is really proud. I want to know why the news media keep showing the edited version where someone EDITED OUT her word “really” proud. It’s just a way to get you haters out there riled up over nothing.
allie (d671ab) — 2/20/2008 @ 2:21 pmI think she’s nuts. A quote from her:
“Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage. Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed.”
From Ace of Spades.
nk (798403) — 2/20/2008 @ 3:01 pmSounds like we’ll be assimilated, nk. We should now call him Barak of the Borg.
Steverino (e00589) — 2/20/2008 @ 3:04 pmPeople a flocking to him like he is the anti-christ……I’m just sayin…
Lynn (f7d08a) — 2/20/2008 @ 3:47 pmallie wrote: I want to know why the news media keep showing the edited version where someone EDITED OUT her word “really” proud. It’s just a way to get you haters out there riled up over nothing.
Hey, allie! Save your petulant media conspiracy theories for when you become a conservative. Then they will make sense.
Here are the facts: Michelle made her statement twice that same day (as evidenced by the fact she didn’t change clothes) in two rallies — One in Madison, WI, and one in Milwaukee. In Madison, she didn’t say “really.”
Don’t believe me? Fine, you don’t have to believe me, but you do need the courage to face facts. As Warner Wolf used to say, “Let’s go to the videotape!” Click it and weep.
L.N. Smithee (b048eb) — 2/20/2008 @ 5:11 pmWhoops! She didn’t say “really” in MILWAUKEE. Mea culpa. Still, my point is made.
L.N. Smithee (b048eb) — 2/20/2008 @ 5:13 pmLets not forget about larry sinclair the slow man trying his best to get his story out about Obama being bi-sexual. Doing crack and gay sex acts with Obama in 1999 in a LIMO
dog (ed661a) — 2/20/2008 @ 10:42 pmMichelle Obama – Proud to Be An American
It IS change.
It IS progress.
It IS a proud moment for this country, when a descendent of slaves of this country can say she is proud of it. She is proud of being an American as opposed to “enduring” the fact that she is — a feeling known all too well by African-Americans and taken for “entitled” granted by many European-Americans. There are people in this country who can feel and be appreciative of being able to “pursue happiness” in this country, yet not feel and be appreciative of the overwhelming gender bias and racism and other hegemonic practices they have to fight on a dayly basis in their “pursuit of happiness.”
There are many Americans who are proud of our troops, but NOT proud of the way our troops are being used, etc. Michelle does not have a vacant pride, like an aloof lover who says “I love you” without geniune thought or emotion. Michelle is sincere in her pride in the ACTIONS of her fellow Americans. She’s not just vacantly proud of America, she’s proud of the American people, which is much more personal.
Michelle Obama’s courage to confess how she feels and “admit” the feeling of change and progress desired by the American people speaks volumes.
America is robbed of its taunt about the “proud” accomplishments made by American influence in other countries, when the world community is a witness of America’s crimes against humanity of its own people based on race.
P.S. Michelle Obama was applauded for her “open disclosure,” there are people who get it and feel the same way. It is an awakening moment for Martin Luther King, Jr.’s dream and a proud healing moment for this country. The power brokers of status quo bigotry pissed in their pants to hear the confession of those proud words come out of a black woman’s mouth. The DESIGN is to keep certain groups “psychologically and economically” oppressed–these people are not supposed feel country pride by design. A slave descendent can look a slave-holding descendent in the face and say, in essence, “I’m proud of you as a fellow American and what WE the People are striving for.” Willie Lynch is rolling over in his grave!
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Furthermore, I’m surprised by Cindy McCain’s pebble throwing, because she is a rehab queen. She stole from a charity to feed her drug and alcohol addiction, and opted out to a rehab instead of facing criminal charges.
She should have went to rehab for her drug addiction, but should have faced her criminal charges as a THIEF from a non-profit organization. We don’t need relapse drama in the White House and charities being afraid of her by having to “lock the cabinet” whenever she comes around.
The non-silver-spooned addicts who do get treatment, still serve time for the criminal acts they committed to feed their addictions. Mrs. McCain is an example of overprivileged exception.
MahoganyShotgun (d671ab) — 2/20/2008 @ 10:43 pmMahogany Shotgun spewed forth: It IS a proud moment for this country, when a descendent of slaves of this country can say she is proud of it. She is proud of being an American as opposed to “enduring” the fact that she is — a feeling known all too well by African-Americans and taken for “entitled” granted by many European-Americans…(snip)
OK, now I’m getting really pissed at how soft-brained you people are.
Mahogany, you are a textbook example of the new disease afflicting millions across America and the world: Obama Delusion Disease (ODD). You have taken the attractive, appealing, but empty vessel that is Barack Obama, mentally filled him with your favorite hopes for the future, and convinced yourself that he is the fulfiller of your dreams.
And that applies to Michelle as well, apparently. In your response to criticism of her words in Wisconsin, you blather about African- and European-Americans, perceived gender bias, throw in some boilerplate anti-war statements, and make presumptions about what it is that Michelle feels “pride” in. You then write some gratuitous quasi-King nonsense about “slave-holding descendants.” You did all of this while leaving the facts of what Ms. Obama said untouched.
Let’s review what she said in Madison:
Michelle Obama was clearly referring NOT to how her husband’s campaign is “doing well,” but that the reason is because “people are hungry for change” and that they are beginning to “be unified around some basic common issues.”
She didn’t say a single word about the war. She didn’t say a thing about slavery. She didn’t say a thing about race, race relations, The Amazing Race, or Ray’s Pizza. You did. AND YOU PUT THOSE WORDS IN HER MOUTH BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT HER WORDS TO MEAN.
If your nonsensical garbage wasn’t enough, you then compound your errors of fact and logic with a mind-boggling, mean-spirited attack on the character of Cindy McCain, calling her a “rehab queen” and making a outrageous statement about “charities being afraid of her by having to ‘lock the cabinet’ whenever she comes around.” Since you’ve proved to be so breathtakingly ignorant so far, I’ll assume you might not realize that Barack Obama admits having used cocaine. If someone were to snidely suggest that should he become President, the Secret Service should have dope-sniffing dogs check the cargo area of Air Force One, do you think that would be fair? Probably the likes of you would suggest that such a remark would be racist, despite the fact that I am blacker than Barack. You ought to be ashamed, but you’re probably not.
Your proclivity to transform what you hear into something you desperately want to believe would not be troublesome to me if it weren’t for the fact that you want a man who has accomplished absolutely NOTHING of consequence to be “Leader of the Free World.” You are about to give a man more power than any other on the planet based on your emotion, not your intellect. Read your history books — that’s a very dangerous thing to do.
You Obamaniacs had better start thinking with your brains and not just your hearts.
L.N. Smithee (bc978f) — 2/21/2008 @ 1:02 amHi,
I usually never blog, but as a military wife, this offends me deeply. I am pretty much an independent, and have not voted in Texas yet. This reveling freudian slip made me curious what else is hiding behind the Obamas.
And GUESS WHAT, I found that Mrs. Obama’s thesis at Princeston Univeristy titled: “Princeton Educated Blacks and the Black Community”
is blocked till Nov. 5, 2008….(after the election)
source:
http://libweb5.princeton.edu/theses/thesesid.asp?ID=9867
tax records are one thing, but as an American voter I have a right to KNOW what the presidential candidate’s wife thinks!
I used to admire Sen. Obama, but no more, I will not be voting for Sen. Obama on March 4th!!!
Thank you.
susan calot (4c8455) — 2/21/2008 @ 8:18 amFor those of you who would call yourselves educated and enlightened, you are a real disappointment. Mrs. Obama did not state that she was never ever in her life proud of America, she was simply emphasizing the degree of how proud she was i.e. a mother really proud of a child finally meeting a goal. It was at that moment in time that she was really proud. That doesn’t take away from her being simply proud before. The quickness to hate is simply incredible. But I guess that is part of the Bush mentality. Stop the hate people and be reasonable and logical.
Kay W, (c20107) — 2/21/2008 @ 10:31 amKay W.,
I’m a mother and I didn’t wait until my kids were 23 years old to tell them for the first time that I’ proud of them.
In other words, Kay W., you are conveniently ignoring Michelle Obama’s condition: She’s proud of America for the first time in her adult lifetime.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/21/2008 @ 10:54 amBTW, DRJ…
What’s yer kids’ Gamertags? I need fresh meat for COD4
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 2/21/2008 @ 11:02 am“The quickness to hate is simply incredible. But I guess that is part of the Bush mentality.”
…and this beautifully illustrates my quibble with the left – their quickness to harshly judge others is simply incredible.
Dana (b4a26c) — 2/21/2008 @ 11:17 amGreetings,
Michelle Obama has clarified her remarks.
The Associated Press provided her comments. I hope this will settle everyone’s heart and mind.
Michelle Obama Clarifies `proud’ Remark
PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — The wife of Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama sought Wednesday to clarify her comment that for the first time she’s really proud of her country.
On Monday, Michelle Obama told an audience in Milwaukee that “For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change.” Cindy McCain, wife of Republican presidential contender John McCain, later sought to capitalize on the remark, saying “I have, and always will be, proud of my country.”
Asked by WJAR-TV if she would like to clarify her comment, Obama replied that she has been struck by the number of people going to rallies and watching debates, as well as record voter turnouts.
“What I was clearly talking about was that I’m proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process,” she said.
“For the first time in my lifetime, I’m seeing people rolling up their sleeves in a way that I haven’t seen and really trying to figure this out — and that’s the source of pride that I was talking about,” she added.
When asked if she had always been proud of her country, she replied “absolutely” and said she and her husband would not be where they are now if not for the opportunities of America.
Obama himself gave a similar explanation during an interview Tuesday with WOAI radio in San Antonio, Texas. Expressing frustration that his wife’s remarks had been taken out of context and turned into political fodder, the Illinois senator said, “What she meant was, this is the first time that she’s been proud of the politics of America, because she’s pretty cynical about the political process, and with good reason, and she’s not alone. But she has seen large numbers of people get involved in the process, and she’s encouraged.”
Michelle Obama was campaigning in Rhode Island two weeks before the state’s March 4 primary. She planned a rally later with her brother, Craig Robinson, the coach of the Brown University men’s basketball team.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gF6i4iEHstfMbiVDziPEgI7m6pFAD8UUAQJG1
Obama2008 (a75de8) — 2/21/2008 @ 11:43 amHey, Obama2008! While you’re spanning the blogs doing damage control and failing miserably, you wanna tell Patterico’s readers why Princeton has embargoed Michelle’s senior thesis until the morning AFTER the election????
Yeah, didn’t think so.
L.N. Smithee (b048eb) — 2/21/2008 @ 12:02 pmWe don’t give a toss, ’08.
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 2/21/2008 @ 12:03 pmI’m pretty outspoken…
And, I don’t think I’ve ever had to clarify my personal remarks…
Admit I’m wrong, yes, but not clarify…
She has two Ivy League degrees, and she has to “clarify” her remarks???
No, she was wrong, but doesn’t have the courage or strength to admit it…
Or, she was telling the truth the first time…
reff (bff229) — 2/21/2008 @ 12:07 pmIt took awhile but I’m glad she clarified her remarks. It’s a reasonable explanation but it still surprises me — after all, wasn’t she proud of America when Barack was elected to the Senate?
Scott – I have one son who plays COD4 but I have no idea what his Gametag is. However, I think his current favorites are Assassin’s Creed and the new Halo … and (right now) catching up on sleep, since he had 5 exams this week.
DRJ (8b9d41) — 2/21/2008 @ 12:08 pmVoters in Texas and Ohio, please don’t waste your vote on Obama. Now that you have seen the true colors of Obama, spread the word.
Kay (7222ce) — 2/21/2008 @ 12:10 pmKay W., yet another hit-and-run Obamabot, wrote: The quickness to hate is simply incredible. But I guess that is part of the Bush mentality. Stop the hate people and be reasonable and logical.
There’s more “projection” (definition 6b) on this thread than at a Bell & Howell enthusiasts’ convention!
L.N. Smithee (b048eb) — 2/21/2008 @ 12:10 pmLN, you’re slaying me today! That was great!
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 2/21/2008 @ 12:26 pmIts not a clarification — its a confirmation of what she said. And she said it twice at different stops.
What her “clarification” says when you look at it inside-out is that in her view, before this election cycle, she had never before seen “people rolling up their sleeves in a way that I haven’t seen and really trying to figure this out — and that’s the source of pride that I was talking about.”
So, she was never proud of the election of Bill Clinton, or the takeover of the House by the GOP in 1994, or the takeback of the House by the Dems in 2006.
In her entire “adult life” — presumably around 1980 since she is the same age as I — the US electorate has never faced difficult circumstances at election-time and worked hard at making a hard choice.
And, that is if you give her remarks — including her clarification — the most generous characterization.
But, maybe what she really was referring to, was the political landscape during those years when her husband was voting “Present” 130 times in the Illinois Senate rather than “roll his sleeves up and figure out the issue” he was being paid to vote on.
WLS (68fd1f) — 2/21/2008 @ 12:43 pmFrankly, I thank Obama for those 130 votes…
Every non-party vote is a vote that stalls the BS here in IL…
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 2/21/2008 @ 1:39 pmScott Jacobs wrote: LN, you’re slaying me today! That was great!
Thanks. I’m going nuts right now, and I’m writing from the heart. I’ve already declared both November 5, 2008 and January 20, 2009 National Puke Days regardless of who wins, but I was not prepared for the Obamaphenomenon. Never in my life would I have believed someone could go so far while saying so little. And the Wacko Barackos that have invaded the blogs seem to be impervious to doubt that Tony Robbins-with-a-tan is everything Oprah says he is without a shred of evidence.
Somewhere, H.L. Mencken and P.T. Barnum are having a good laugh. Meanwhile, Frederick Douglass is spinning.
L.N. Smithee (e1f2bf) — 2/21/2008 @ 2:13 pmLN, don’t feel bad.
You can’t reason them out of a position they weren’t reasoned into to begin with.
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 2/21/2008 @ 2:29 pmI wondering why everything is okay about this pompous guy and his unpatriotic wife. Do all of you have no pride in your country? He refuses to wear a flag lapel pin, he doesn’t salute our flag (unless it helps him with votes), he gets facts all wrong, proposes plans that he has no chance of achieving, and still you want so much to believe. Hillary is such a better candidate,with real thought out plans, and I am afraid that this feel-good guy just might become our president, and then it will be too late. Wake up people, before we have four years of another disaster.
M. Atkins (a8efe5) — 2/22/2008 @ 11:41 amI would like to say ,in response to Mr. Smithie—-I wont step on your toes so give me the same respect to not step on mine. I am not interested in having a debate with you on who is right or wrong . You have the right to be as wrong as you want and the same for myself and everyone else. So,with that said”If the shoe fits wear it”! My curiosity is not at all up for debate and I am sorry that you felt the need to speak on behalf of “ALL RACIST”(thats courious)and ignore the point at hand. By the way ,I am white.Everyone in this country know that racism is still a big problem in this country as well as around the world. If you have not been affected by it ,I say good for you, but for the millions of people who are faced with racism in the good ole United States, I say fight.Whever and whenever you see it.This is our country.God Bless
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/22/2008 @ 3:30 pmThis is in response to Susan C.——
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/22/2008 @ 3:42 pmMay I ask what topic you chose for your thesis?
Please make it good.lol I sense some strong resentment and possibly envy with a tad of jealousy mixed in.I am proud of any woman who works hard to achieve an education, be it ivy league or not.But since she is a graduate of an ivy league school ,that makes her success even sweeter. HA HA, EAT YOUR HEART OUT.
This is in response to the pitiful people including LN Smithie—-Befor you decide to pass judgement on Michelle Obama for her comments on being proud, etc.,you need to check out all of the candidates wives closets. Then maybe you can form a more objective and sensible perspective on who is who. Particularly disturbing were the comments made that said that Michelle was not first lady material. PLEASE. Thats a laugh. At least she was not addicted to drugs and even stole money to buy them.DO SOME REAL RESEARCH. Check out the other candidates wives, and then get back to me. HOLLA!
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 9:16 amblah blah blah…
None of the other spouces have said they have only just now become proud of their country. Michelle did.
Nice try though. You can go back to worshiping at the Altar of Obama now.
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/23/2008 @ 9:31 amScottie—–THATS STUPID
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 9:52 amTo Sad in America: Fuck you coon!! [This racist moron has been banned as of 2-23-08 at 11 a.m. when I saw the messages. — Mgmt.]
Selinda Mason (3fd323) — 2/23/2008 @ 10:03 amI know people who know Michelle Obama socially and they describe her as a devoted mother (including “soccer mom”) and a tough cookie. She’s raising her kids (and possibly her husband although she has not yet managed to get him to quit smoking). I’d love to hear the opinions of others who are married to tough, smart, intelligent, educated, devoted wives and mothers about this. Mine is that lady means what she says and says what she means.
nk (669aab) — 2/23/2008 @ 10:05 amTo Selinda Mason: Crawl back into the dog’s behind you came out of before you get stepped on, dry up, or get hosed away, you piece of dogshit.
nk (669aab) — 2/23/2008 @ 10:13 amTo nk: Your mamma!!!!!
Selinda Mason (3fd323) — 2/23/2008 @ 10:19 amI would like to respond to Salina Mason, if tahats your real name,I am really concerned that you have some serious psychological issues darling.So instead of purchasing your meth from your old source you might try a new dealer because you have reached an all time low. Even meyh heads and trailer trash would have more respect for people than that. By the way, Is your trailer in the front or the back of the park? I’m just asking.
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 10:42 amDon’t give it that much credit, sad in America. It’s in a jail for having sex with animals but under some liberal court decree it’s allowed access to the internet at times.
nk (669aab) — 2/23/2008 @ 10:47 amTo all you bloggers???
Can we all just get alone? (3fd323) — 2/23/2008 @ 10:58 amCan we all just get alone?
Not if a Democrat gets into office and starts freezing interest rates and putting a moratorium on foreclosures.
(If that confused you, read it to your spouse out loud, starting with the italicized portion.)
Patterico (4bda0b) — 2/23/2008 @ 11:01 amBtw, Selinda Mason aka Can we all just get alone has been banned. I just saw these comments for the first time.
Patterico (4bda0b) — 2/23/2008 @ 11:04 amThank you, Patterico.
nk (669aab) — 2/23/2008 @ 11:07 amSad in America,
List for me exactly why my comment is stupid?
And you sound familiar… Andie? Is that you?
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/23/2008 @ 11:08 amThanks Patterico
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 11:15 amO.K. Scott ,Just because I am in favor of Americans using critical thinking skills, doesnt mean that i am worshipping anyone. What I’m trying to say is try and use common sense when you are attacking someones opinion, ideas beliefs ,etc. and try to be rational when it comes to judging other people because everyone has something in their past that they may not be particularly proud of. When you start to personally attack people you are avoiding very important issues.
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 11:24 amI’ve really yet to see any proof of this claim of yours. Obama has done, litterally, nothing. He is an utterly empty suit that looks and sounds good. List for me 5 bills he authored/co-sponsored.
I’ll even let you include his Illinois Senate record.
But he’s the best for the job? Really? You actually believe that?
The problem is, we’re judging Michelle for something she said very recently.
There are things my country has done I’m not thrilled of, but I’ve always been proud of my country. Always. Not always the people (Berkeley, for example), but the country has always been a source of pride.
I guess I’m just missing something the well-educated, successful black woman sees.
Really. And what issues have they actually suggested real solutions to, instead of vauge ideas that have no suggested means of funding?
Again, list me 5 things Obama has done. Go on. Dare you.
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/23/2008 @ 11:45 amGuess what—I have been entertained by you,enraged, by you ,amused by you, and now I’m tired of you. You have a problem sticking with the facts.I have read all of your irrational rhetoric and racist dribble so much so that I’m convinced that it is impossible for me to have a serious dialogue with you.(I really dont have the time or energy to respond to you).We could go on and on and on, but I see not hope in sight. By the way…,I dont do dares
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 12:10 pmSad in America,
I urge you to answer Scott’s challenge but if you don’t have time to discuss this in a rational, detailed way — fine. Admit it and move on. However, please don’t sling rhetoric all over the thread and then complain about other people’s comments.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/23/2008 @ 12:18 pmI couldnt resist———-I am not a obamamaniac nor am I in love with Hillary. My point issssssssssssssssssss,Instead of mudslinging an personal attacks,why not judge these candidates on their merits and track records? And if ,in your opinion, a favored candidate is not worthy of your vote, then move on, dont have a meltdown or nervous breakdown,just move it along and be greatful that we live in a country where we can agree to disagree and not be stoned or banished because of it .I hope I made my stand loud and clear for you this time…………
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 12:41 pmSo that would be a “I have nothing to list as Senator Obama’s accomplishments, even going back to his tenure in the Illinois Senate”.
Didn’t think you’d have anything, really. Was mostly a rhetorical request, since even Senator Obama can’t list 5 things…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/23/2008 @ 12:52 pmThat would be the exact reason I asked for the list, for the record. 🙂
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/23/2008 @ 12:53 pmO.K.–Scott, you really do need to get a life. By the way…, How old are you ,If you dont mind me asking.
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 1:15 pmsad in america,
I haven’t followed this discussion, but I would be interested in an answer to that question as well.
It may be that you can’t do it, but support him for other reasons. If so, there’s no shame in saying so. Or it may be that you can name five accomplishments. If so, I’d love to hear them.
Patterico (4bda0b) — 2/23/2008 @ 1:34 pmAh, the classic “How old are you” question. I love that one.
Patterico, I think Sad should be able to name those 5 accomplishments, because (s)he said that we should support a canidate based on their merits and their track record. I don’t know how else you could do that without being able to name something they have actually done.
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/23/2008 @ 1:49 pmScott,
You glossed over his “you really do need to get a life” comment. I think that would be a hey pot, meet kettle type of response.
chas (fb7ad4) — 2/23/2008 @ 1:59 pmEh…
The problem is, in that regard, (s)he is absolutely correct! 🙂
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/23/2008 @ 2:00 pmI never said that I was a supporter of Obama, Clinto , or anyone else.As a matter of fact I have not made my mind up who I will support because the two democratic nominees have yet to convince me that they are worthy of my vote.But if I had to choose one based on what little I know about Cintons ideals and Obamas,its a toss up still, as all that I have been hearing from either one of them is the shortcomings of each to one another.In my opinion this is very scary because what am I supposed to base my opinion on? Neither one have impressed me as being a savior or capable of leading our country out of the mess that we’re in.Most of the dialogue so far on this site have been about race, education,grammer,rumor,so on and so forth. What frustrates me most is the way in which people respond when you are seriously engaging in a conversation. I dont have to be right, and please allow me the opportunity to be so,but I firmly believe that we are surely on the wrong track.I would not make the mistake of voting for Obama or anyone else because he is black or white. I strongly believe that this has struck a nerve with people because of the idea that Obama could be the next president of the United states of America—-and what if………
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 2:09 pmSad in America #187:
No. I take it you are a new reader, Sad. Welcome.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/23/2008 @ 2:22 pmsad in america,
What frustrates me most is the way in which people respond when you are seriously engaging in a conversation.
Well, I just read over the thread, and one thing that frustrates me is that you have been going around calling other commenters racists.
Why don’t you lay off the name-calling and talk about issues and qualifications? My contention is that McCain is better on the issues (slightly) than Obama, and is far more qualified. If you dispute that, I’d like specifics.
Patterico (4bda0b) — 2/23/2008 @ 2:28 pmmeaning when someone asks you to name 5 accomplishments of Obama? oh, but of course, you retreat into the old “i havent decided who i support yet” meme. rescues you from having to actually say anything substantial. hey, that sounds familiar, who else is going around doing that?
you keep throwing out generic lines about debating the issues and such but you dont even know what the issues are. since neither candidate has impressed you enough to win your vote it would logical to assume you have been researching the candidates somewhat. so list 5 accomplishments betweent the two, hillary and obama. that should doable huh?
if not, well troll on and be Sad
chas (fb7ad4) — 2/23/2008 @ 2:36 pmPatterico,
Please explain how McCain would be better than Obama on illegal immigration. Also, are you convinced that McCain would make judicial nominations that are strict constructionists? Even though that type of judge would most likely overturn things like McCain-Feingold?
chas (fb7ad4) — 2/23/2008 @ 2:38 pmPlease explain how McCain would be better than Obama on illegal immigration.
Please explain why you think I said that.
Also, are you convinced that McCain would make judicial nominations that are strict constructionists? Even though that type of judge would most likely overturn things like McCain-Feingold?
I am not convinced, but I am convinced he is far more likely than Obama or Hillary to appoint judges I would like. He voted for Roberts and Alito and has consistently said in his public statements that they represent the sort of justices he would like to appoint.
Patterico (4bda0b) — 2/23/2008 @ 2:53 pmO.K. Here We Go———First of all, as far as me engaging in name calling—-I call it as I see it, and I apologize if the truth offends you. But with all due respect, I enjoy being truthful and honest.Although I do not enjoy insulting people or falsely accusing people. With that said, if I falsely accused anyone of anything I am truly sorry, and for that, I sincerely apologize. I am not in the habit of deliberately acting the fool,so if that is the opinion that you have ,again I am sorry.
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/23/2008 @ 2:57 pmI’m not saying you specifically said that, but it stands to reason from this statement.
I do understand if that statement wasn’t universal on all the issues as it unlikely for anyone to completely agree w/ a candidate on all issues.
chas (fb7ad4) — 2/23/2008 @ 2:58 pmChas,
I disagree with Bush on immigration but he’s still a better President than Kerry would have been. Same goes for McCain vs Clinton/Obama.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/23/2008 @ 3:01 pmYeah, a shame Pat’s taken me to task for calling them as I see them. I have some choice ones for you, buddy…
So LN is a racist? A black man can be racist against black people? That’s news to me!
Bullshit. “Calling them as I see them”, but appologizing? I don’t think so. Pick one excuse, and run with it, ok? I assume you are an intelligent person (despite evidence to the contrary here), so you must know what the words you use mean…
To put it another way “Words have meaning”.
BTW, I’ll be happy to vote for a black man/hispanic woman/asian transgendered for President the moment I’m shown one I think will do a good job.
Senator Obama isn’t that person. At all. Nor is Hillary that person.
Nor, sadly, is McCain that person…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/23/2008 @ 3:12 pmSusan Calot #140:
The Politico has obtained a copy of the thesis, and posted PDF documents of the contents:
Direct links to the PDFs (grab them while they’re still up):
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4
Paul (236e0e) — 2/23/2008 @ 3:48 pmChas, at this moment I intend to do a write-in for a Bauer/Maclean ticket…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/23/2008 @ 5:06 pmMy experiences at Princeton have made me far more aware of my ‘blackness’ than ever before, the future Mrs. Obama wrote in her thesis introduction. I have found that at Princeton, no matter how liberal and open-minded some of my white professors and classmates try to be toward me, I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don’t belong. Regardless of the circumstances underwhich I interact with whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be black first and a student second.
There are some people who know how she feels and then there are people who don’t
MahoganyShotgun (c36902) — 2/24/2008 @ 1:24 am…and pretend to not have a clue.
I wonder if you were all so damn indignant when FORMER PRESIDENT Bill Clinton effectively said that Obama won South Carolina because that’s the state Black people win.
Damian (d3efb5) — 2/24/2008 @ 12:33 pmAbsolutely. Check the archives, Damian.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/24/2008 @ 12:43 pmMichelle Obama is being compared to Jackie O. It’s all over the media.She reminds me very much of her also. She is classy,elegant,beautiful,and smart. What do you guys think?
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 4:33 pmI think we’re still waiting on those 5 accomplishments…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/25/2008 @ 4:42 pmQueen
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 4:44 pmJust when you think class and elegance is dead.
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 4:45 pmJust when you think class and elegance is dead it makes a comeback.
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 4:47 pmShe is classy,elegant,beautiful,and smart.
Sounds like my mother, wife, sister-in-law and most of my neighbors.
nk (669aab) — 2/25/2008 @ 4:58 pmExcept, unlike Michelle Obama, your mother, wife, sister-in-law and most of your neighbors were proud of America before this election started.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:06 pmDid sad just call me a queen???
Awwwwwwww. Thank yewwwwwwwwwwwwww
But I’m a dude. But thanks anyways!
Still waiting, btw…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:08 pmNot drug addicted,pantyless,drunk, booty shaking or airheaded
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:13 pmXOXO
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:15 pmI’m begining to suspect that sad is off his/her meds…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:16 pmHey, sad in america: You’re really living up to your name. It’s sad that after telling me I ought to do “SOME REAL RESEARCH” on Cindy McCain’s drug troubles, you couldn’t meet the challenge of listing five things Obama has accomplished as a member of the U.S. Senate OR the Illinois Senate! This is not to say that you didn’t do any “REAL RESEARCH,” because you wouldn’t have been able to find five things even if you did!
As people like you are wont to do, you tried to change the subject, and hoped we wouldn’t notice. Maybe that works in the crowd you hang with, but it doesn’t work with me.
Thank you, sad, Mahogany Shotgun, and your fellow ODD sufferers for proving what I and many here and elsewhere have suspected; you have put your brains on hold to support Obama.
L.N. Smithee (0931d2) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:24 pmBTW — you may want to think about revising your comparison of Michelle O. with Jackie O. Both are lovely ladies, but Jackie was bred to be a social climber, and she snagged one of the greatest catches in America in JFK. Once he was gone, she chose money and security over love, and hooked up with a wrinkled old fart who was even richer than the Kennedys.
I would like to think Michelle is more self-dependant than that. Who knows, though, maybe she’s not.
L.N. Smithee (0931d2) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:28 pmI will not FETCH AND STEP—- T prefer to hold my head up and put my shoulders back— UNDERSTAND???
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:35 pmSad in America #203 et seq.,
This isn’t People Magazine and we’re not interested in Michelle Obama as the second coming of Jackie O. Instead, I suggest you read and comment on Paul’s link to Michelle Obama’s sociology thesis or, better yet, respond to Scott’s request.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:35 pmteehee…
I love you guys… You make me smile…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:37 pmI read the thesis and gave it an “A” plus——–NEXT!!!!!!
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:45 pmL.N. Smithee, why is your blog dormant? You should pick it up again! Or do you blog elsewhere now?
Not Rhetorical (483101) — 2/25/2008 @ 5:50 pmsad in america wrote: I will not FETCH AND STEP—- T [sic] prefer to hold my head up and put my shoulders back— UNDERSTAND???
You’re precious, sad. All Scott did was point out how you didn’t do research any sane voter would do to find out more about a candidate. Then DRJ called you on not doing it. And you twisted it into a racial thing despite being white. Amazing!
By the way — who is “T”? You aren’t Mr. T, are you?
L.N. Smithee (0085d4) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:25 pmThanks, Uncle Fetch
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:31 pmPatterico, please take a look at the comments made by Sad in America since #203.
DRJ (3eda28) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:33 pmI know a BROTHER when I See one
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:33 pmMahoganyShotgun wrote: There are some people who know how [Michelle Obama] feels and then there are people who don’t…and pretend to not have a clue.
I haven’t read it yet, but I think it speaks volumes that either Michelle, Princeton University, or the Obama campaign tried to keep people from reading it until the morning after the election despite what is written in the preamble:
What, Mahogany, do you think they are all afraid of?
L.N. Smithee (0085d4) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:33 pmDont blame me———–Blame the media.LOL
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:35 pmUncle Fetch—At the end of the day all you have to keep you warm is your finger……………
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:38 pmKEEP TYPING
sad in america (83a5bc) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:38 pmUh-oh, folks…looks like we pushed one of ’em a little too far. S/he’s spinning out of control.
L.N. Smithee (0085d4) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:43 pmsad in america says:
Thanks, Uncle Fetch
and
I know a BROTHER when I See one
And I know a banned commenter when I see one.
sad in america now becomes the second racist I have banned on this thread.
Buh-bye!
Patterico (4bda0b) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:45 pmS/he’s spinning out of control.
Nope. Under control now.
Patterico (4bda0b) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:46 pmLow baseline. She doesn’t know that what she’s seeing in the Obamas is ordinary to most Americans.
nk (669aab) — 2/25/2008 @ 8:48 pmAw man, too late to mock the troll!
Dagnabit, Patterico! 🙂
Paul (213adb) — 2/25/2008 @ 9:05 pmI realy do think that was Andie… Seemed crazy enough…
And here I was hoping I’d get to see sad attempt to pawn off something another person did as an acomplishment…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 2/25/2008 @ 9:08 pmI realy do think that was Andie… Seemed crazy enough…
I doubt it, Scott. Andrew is probably still seething at me over the Geneva Convention language.
Paul (213adb) — 2/25/2008 @ 9:13 pmPeople…relax a little here.
How many of you have walked the streets of a country in Europe or Asia in the last 6 years and experienced the less than warm greeting for local because you are American? I can tell you this, I have. I can also tell you that 20 years ago, walking similar streets, I would be invited in to people’s homes BECAUSE I was American.
Comment by John E — 2/19/2008 @ 6:13 am
Interesting. I have a totally different recollection of America’s world reputation back in the eighties. . . This was the height of the cold war and President Reagan’s steadfast stubbornness in not giving an inch to the Soviets. Remember him on the cover of “Der Spiegel” with a clown nose, for mocking the Soviet Union.
The Western Europeans were very upset with him; WE were viewed as the stubborn warmongers by French, German, etc.. . And that was understandable. They had an arsenal of missiles pointed at them as Reagan played a very dangerous game of chicken with the USSR. But, looking back, who now views Reagan’s treatment of the USSR as anything but heroic and triumphant?
That any American, including Michelle Obama, can look back at this whole era with a yawn and no feeling of pride, is mind-boggling. What exactly is she so proud of now? Some sort of hot-air, liberal fantasy, it seems.
I am an Independent who was ready and willing to vote for Obama, but his wife’s comments — and their supporters’ icky defense of her statements — reflect an outlook that I can not comprehend.
Meadow (d671ab) — 2/27/2008 @ 9:19 pmTo L.N. Smithee: I haven’t read it yet, but I think it speaks volumes that either Michelle, Princeton University, or the Obama campaign tried to keep people from reading it until the morning after the election despite what is written in the preamble:
I further authorize Princeton University to reproduce this
thesis by photocopying or by other means, in total or in
part, at the request of other institutions or individuals
for the purpose of scholarly research.
Michelle LaVaughn Robinson
What, Mahogany, do you think they are all afraid of?
Michelle is not afraid. She is concerned about the historical lynch-mob mentality (O’Rielly) that will twist what she has said OUT of the black-experience context. In her thesis, you can’t just simply play the switch in the word “white” with the word “black,” or “African-American” with “European-American” and have the same contextual meaning in US history.
Yet, that’s exactly what many whites are doing when they read her writing –trying to compare the white American experience with the black American experience. Such a comparison does not work, not even on a Constitutional “living document” level. Even the Constitution of the United States of America has had to recognize that difference of the black American experience and the white American experience as being inherently inequitable.
A lot of these same “I’ve always been proud of America” chanters have NEVER read the Constitution of the United States of America in its entirety…very patriotic indeed, vacantly patriotic.
MahoganyShotgun (d671ab) — 2/27/2008 @ 9:42 pmShe later indicated that what she meant was that it was the first time she felt proud of American politics.
During her correction she was essentially saying that word-for-word it was an error.
From time to time we all muddle a thought. It appeared in the video that she was gathering thoughts from a tired mind. Other than the slip she did quite well. Well with in the 99th percentile.
I am not expecting perfection. She adjusted, clarified and tried to set the record straight.
I think that some people who have been upset with Obama for whatever reason will scream the misstep from the highest mounts. Just like others would feel compelled to do with the other candidates.
Absence of moderated, rational discourse doesn’t help the nation.
I would be interested if anyone of the people commenting has ever read the constitution in its entirety. I think you can be patriotic and not read the Constitution in its entirety. I wonder if Mahogany has read it and if his/her parents also read it. If having read it would Mahogany feel ready to take a test on it? Again, I think a person can be patriotic and not even be able to read.
MeadowLarkQWERTY (45bb22) — 3/14/2008 @ 9:54 amLemon…as in MeadowLark, of Globetrotter fame…
When listening to a Presidential candidate’ wife, it is rational discourse to take what she says at face value. Is there some other way to take it??? If I tell you something, and you take it home with you, and decide what it means, do I get to take it back later when you don’t like it??? You might say yes, but I’ll bet the answer is no. I recently made this statement while in a meeting with teachers, related to the hanging of student gifts on the stage in the cafeteria, after someone told me I was good with a rope: “Yes, I’ll get the rope, tie a noose, and hang the bicycles from the stage” The words were correct, in context with the conversation, not related to anything other than the act itself, which was the act being discussed. Yet, I was told that I was disrespectful and unprofessional in what I said. The person making the accusation wrote in her complaint (and I quote verbatim): “I don’t know what he said, but I heard the word noose and it was disrespectful and unprofessional.” The subsequent investigation proved to be “inconclusive” so this accusation remains in my personnel file. So, no, with that atmosphere in the world, why should Michelle Obama get to “explain” her words after the fact? She said what she said, and, tired or not, her “correction” seems to me to be just what we call in the bayou “crawfishing,” or, trying to pull the words back after the fact.
Next thought on her speech….aren’t her words “prepackaged” in most cases?..
But, I digress…
Now, when I read or study on Barack Obama, and find his “spiritual inspiration,” “moral compass,” “mentor,” is Rev. Wright, am I supposed to accept Barack Obama’s words as he said them, or wait till he tells me something different??
Do I get to listen to Rev. Wright’s sermons and decide that he means what he says, or wait till he parses his own words in another way???
After listening to both of them, which of their sets of words should I believe??? I was raised a bit differently…that I should think carefully before thinking, and then say what I mean, so people will know where I stand…
Where does Barack and Michelle Obama stand??? I can’t figure it out from their words…
As for the Constitution of the US, I’ve read it, several times, and the Federalist Papers, at least twice, and would be willing not to take a test, because it would be hard….and, yes, it has nothing to do with being patriotic if you haven’t…but, saying that after 40+ years that you’ve finally had a reason to be proud of America shows a very distinct lack of knowledge of the successes and failures of America….and a narcissistic view of America if that reason is the election prospects of your husband….
reff (bff229) — 3/14/2008 @ 10:19 ami think it would be hard not to be proud of america! we have so many opertunitys that other countrys don’t. I think it was careless what michelle obama said, and i think if she though about what she was going to say, i bet she woudn’t have said it.
bill clinton for 1st lady! 😀 😀 😀
ghibli92 (08a46e) — 4/7/2008 @ 3:17 pmIf she keeps talking his road tot he white house will end real soon.
Larry Gambi (162cf6) — 4/20/2008 @ 4:48 pmWHY DOES THE USSUPPORT SPECIFIC COMMUNISM NOW?
ISREAL OCCUPATIONALIST-ZIONIST JEWS
COMMUNIST CHINA
>
black-celph (a5f846) — 5/11/2008 @ 5:01 pmTHE U.S DEFEATED COMMUNISM?
what is there to be proud about the U.S?
black-celph (a5f846) — 5/11/2008 @ 5:02 pmOh, cool, more clueless trolls. Just when I was getting bored.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/11/2008 @ 5:06 pmNot just trolls, but Trolls well versed in thread necromacy…
And fairly insane ones at that…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 5/11/2008 @ 5:10 pmOne think that really irks me are all the asshats who move to this country and then proceed to denigrate it endlessly. “It is so much better in BLANK. We have free health care there and are not trying to rule the world.” If it is indeed so great in take your pick- Ireland, Colombia, Venezuela, Britain, Africa, etc. then carry your ass back there. Like the made-up BS pc crap about Kwanzaa, why don’t blacks return to their “homeland” and make it a better place? Seems they don’t have much democracy in darkest Africa or even in Tunisia or Qadaffi’s sh*thole country. Tell us about the sucesses of socialism in Europe and the astronomical taxes and energy prices. Please praise Canada also and their Human rights’ commission that eschews free speech rights. If you quote some Islamomutant, then they haul your ass in as they did Mark Steyn. Once again, if Canada is so fecking garnd, why do so many Canadians of means come to USA for TIMELY medical treatment? Same goes for some Irish I know who would be dead otherwise.
madmax333 (d3cbc5) — 5/11/2008 @ 5:51 pmAnd since America sucks so bad and mutants like Sean Penn, Alec Baldwin and others are so fearful of the evil BusHitler, how come they don’t leave forthwith? And why do they adore Marxism so much when they get filthy rich from capitalism? Leave and take morons like Olberdork and Chrissie “I squat to pee” matthews with you.
Hey guys,
Stop throwing your ugly racist ideas under the cover of Michelle’s quote. Michelle is not an “illegal” immigrant. She is an American and had all the rights to get education like any other American, proud of his/her country or not. Dana, Michelle did not have to be proud of America in order to get the so thought of “privileges” of being educated and serving in well paying jobs. She just deserved it!! I wonder why you keep referring to Africa and other countries in relation to Michelle. If you think Michelle’s comment was a racist one, your implied mentality that blacks are privileged to be in America is more than racist.
And for the few misguided fellows, can you direct your frustrations elsewhere? This is no ground for exercising all your vulgar vocabulary. Find a different and relevant forum.
motego (2ba35e) — 5/12/2008 @ 12:56 pmMotego, while some are not the most artful in expression, the fact remains that if Michelle is not proud of America, people want to know what country she prefers. And naturally would then urge her toward taking action on that preference. That’s not actually a racist thought as convenient as it might be for you to so label it.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/12/2008 @ 1:37 pmSPQR, I think it might make more sense then to debate on the reasons behind Michelle’s comment than “the country she prefers”. If i am not wrong, part of her quote was “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction” The gap i see in her comment is her failure to name the change and direction she is referring to. And i think it is this gap that we have been trying to fill in this conversation . Otherwise, the issue of the country she is proud of does not make any sense.
If, for example, somebody respectable to me confronted me and said “Motego, i am not proud of you”. The first thing i will think of is what might have ruined my image before the person and not necessarily who the person is proud of in my place. So if Michelle has not been proud of America, though she might not necessarily be respectable to everybody, the most immediate sensible question should be why and not the country she has been proud of.
In a few words,there is no obligation of being proud of somebody or something. If Michelle is not proud of America she is not obliged to be proud of some corresponding country
motego (2ba35e) — 5/12/2008 @ 3:35 pmWell, motego, you seem to find her comments more vapid than un-american. That is not an irrational view but I don’t think that means you should call people racists who have the conclusion that her comments were more anti-american.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/12/2008 @ 4:16 pmMotego reminds me of someone…
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 5/12/2008 @ 4:45 pmYou’re quite right. She has no obligation to feel proud of a country which provided the environment and funding for her to obtain a law degree from an Ivy Leage School.
Forgive us, however, if we don’t find her a bit of an ingrate because of it.
Coupled with her “woe is us, it was so hard to make ends meet” line about how HARD it was for them to JUST NOW pay back their student loans (she’s made a good living, and he’s had some very well-paying governmant jobs that come with huge perks), she starts to sound like, well, a whiney, ungrateful bitch who needs to try living a life not cushioned by such posh surroundings as a home boughts from a soon-to-be-convicted felon and schoolboard meetings with unappolgetic terrorists.
But that’s just us. We happen to love our country despite it’s fault because we can see the nearly infinate good within it. She sees merely the comparatively few flaws, and condems the whole system.
I remind her again… If she so dislikes it here, there’s a LARGE number of countries that she can freely depart to.
You can feel free to join her.
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 5/12/2008 @ 4:51 pmGood citizens like Motego and Levi apparently have not gotten the word to join up with the MSM to keep their pieholes shut for the next six months until Obamanation is elected. Hopefully people like Stanley Kurtz will continue to reveal the repugnant friends of Barry Hussein. Meanwhile the NY Times can continue to run interference by rewriting the history of Obambi and his words captured on Utube and elsewhere.
madmax333 (754d26) — 5/12/2008 @ 5:47 pm“You’re quite right. She has no obligation to feel proud of a country which provided the environment and funding for her to obtain a law degree from an Ivy Leage School.”
Class traitor, really. once you make it, fuck whats below.
stef (2e999f) — 5/12/2008 @ 6:18 pmYou try to be this dim, don’t you.
Are you saying the is no reason for any sort of pride or gratitude towards the system that ENABLED that “lower class” to get that degree?
And heaven only knows that Sen Obama wasn’t exactly “lower class”.
Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec) — 5/12/2008 @ 8:41 pmScott, both you and the “lower classes” belong to America. If there’s anything like “LARGE number of countries that she can freely depart to” you’d rather be the first one to depart to wherever you think your racist mindset can fit.
motego (f96dc0) — 5/13/2008 @ 7:25 amI see motego is back to calling people racist for no reason. That will make a fine Obama supporter.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/13/2008 @ 7:28 amI’m curious, Motego… Please point out specific instances in this thread (or any thread) where I have professed or hinted at any sort of racist leanings. Quotes and comment numbers, please.
I suspect this will take you a while, for while it’s easy to simply lie and call me a racist, proving it by way of examples isn’t possible. Because they don’t exist.
I note you don’t actually attempt to argue my point, you simply take a cowards way out and attempt to discredit me by insinuating something.
Thay might work in Leftist circles, but it doesn’t fly too well here.
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 5/13/2008 @ 7:35 amScott, this is your # 47. There your go “Please, allow me a moment of EXTREME cynicism and snark. This will sound BAD…If it’s just now happened, who let the freaking darkies get them some college learning? /bileandhate
Sorry, but for a woman who has enjoyed COUNTLESS benifits of being in this country, that whole family can kiss my hairy white ass.
I guess she has no respect for the education she got, the jobs she’s had, or the jobs her HUSBAND has had, which pissed me the fuck off, since before he bacame one of the two embarassemnts Illinois sends to the US Senate, he was mucking around in my STATE’S politics.
*spit*
Fuck the lot of them.
Comment by Scott Jacobs — 2/18/2008 @ 7:51 pm”
I might have missed something. Who are the FREAKING DARKIES. I wouldn’t put it any better that what “sad America thought”
Guess what—I have been entertained by you,enraged, by you ,amused by you, and now I’m tired of you. You have a problem sticking with the facts.I have read all of your irrational rhetoric and racist dribble so much so that I’m convinced that it is impossible for me to have a serious dialogue with you.(I really dont have the time or energy to respond to you).We could go on and on and on, but I see not hope in sight. By the way…,I dont do dares
Comment by sad in america — 2/23/2008 @ 12:10 pm
Scott, i would have wished to argue you points but you’ve made no point to be argued on.
motego (f96dc0) — 5/13/2008 @ 8:26 amWell, motego…
If Scott was channelling the (NOT)Rev. Wright, why is that bad?
I don’t seem to remember you telling us that the (NOT)Rev. Wright was a racist. Did you???
If you see racism in Scott, then you MUST see it in the (NOT)Rev. Wright. Correct???
Thanks for playing….
reff (bff229) — 5/13/2008 @ 8:32 amYes. No way that could have been sarcasm to illustrate the countless opportunities black/ asian/hisapanic/whatever people have in this country.
“The lot of them” couldn’t possibly reffer to the Obama family. Couldn’t possibly.
You seek offense. You look for that which could, in any way possibly offend.
You are the exact problem with multiculturalism and political correctness. YOU.
Not blacks, not jews, not them durn liberals. YOU.
Seek life elsewhere, troll. Your stupidity causes me pain.
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 5/13/2008 @ 8:32 amReff, didn’t you know?
Only white people can be racist…
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 5/13/2008 @ 8:34 amOh, and motego…
Since you now see racism in the (NOT)Rev. Wright, you MUST also see it in Barack, Michelle, and their two baptized children. Correct???
reff (bff229) — 5/13/2008 @ 8:35 amLived, white…
Birth certificate says black…
I don’t qualify either way…
reff (bff229) — 5/13/2008 @ 8:36 amTo be fair Reff, we know little to nothing about the Obama kids. We can guess based one their parents, but that’s not always a good indicator.
Senator and Mrs Obama, however, REALLY hate whitey and his government, which has so viciously held them down.
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 5/13/2008 @ 8:37 amReff and Scott, can you respond to my previous comment. If asked to analyze Rev. Wright’s comments, i will but in a different forum. But for now, i and you are on Michelle’s comment.
Scott, you asked me to quote your racist comments in this “thread” which i did. Do you want more of those to be able to defend yourself reasonably?
motego (f96dc0) — 5/13/2008 @ 9:02 amSo you guys want to carry on with this drivel about race? Go on, knock yourselves out. The world is being entertained.
love2008 (d2a57f) — 5/13/2008 @ 9:10 ammotego, your “quotes” demonstrated more about you than Scott.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/13/2008 @ 9:13 amApparently, reading skills weren’t stressed where Motego went to school (darn public education system).
#261, dunce.
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 5/13/2008 @ 9:17 amActually, motego, I responded to your accusations of Scott being racist…
And, I asked you if you found the same racism in the (NOT)Rev. Wright…
And, of course, you avoided the question…
Thanks for playing….
reff (bff229) — 5/13/2008 @ 9:26 amHell Scott,
Don’t you know that “Good morning” is politically incorrect? What if the person you said it to had made other plans?
With clowns like motego, you never engage them seriously. They have no sense of humor, no sense of perspective, no common sense. No sense at all, actually. Just DU talking points.
nk (397bef) — 5/13/2008 @ 9:33 amI love you guys…
Well, I only love NK when he’s sober. He’s a hella mean drunk. 🙂
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 5/13/2008 @ 9:47 amAAAAAAAAnnnd the winner is………
love2008 (d2a57f) — 5/13/2008 @ 10:06 amWell, I hope you mean that in a manly, platonic way, Scott. Because I don’t know how drunk I’d have to be if it’s the other way.
nk (397bef) — 5/13/2008 @ 10:11 amNot that there’s anything wrong with that…
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 5/13/2008 @ 10:14 amAAAAAAAAAAAAnd the winner is Scott
motego (2ba35e) — 5/13/2008 @ 10:19 amIt usually is.
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 5/13/2008 @ 10:25 amSo Scott. How does it feel to win? Whats your message to all those racist losers in the house?
love2008 (d2a57f) — 5/13/2008 @ 10:45 am“Wake up. Your ignorance disgraces the species.”
Same message i have for homophobes and the like.
Why? Did you have a different, perhaps more condicending, message for them?
Scott Jacobs (fa5e57) — 5/13/2008 @ 10:49 am#279
love2008 (d2a57f) — 5/13/2008 @ 11:44 amMe? Nah. You are the man! Homophobes, racists, misogynist all sound the same to me. All losers in my book.
love2008, now you are starting to sound just like the Obama campaign, claiming anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist.
SPQR (26be8b) — 5/13/2008 @ 11:53 am#281
love2008 (d2a57f) — 5/13/2008 @ 12:21 pmAre you a racist? I dont think so. You are free to disagree with anyone you like. This is a democracy. You dont have to be a racist to dislike obama. Its a matter of choice.
“I really didn’t love America until I was deprived of her company,” said McCain, to Hannity.
“I’ll admit to you … that it’s tough in some respects,” McCain said when asked by a questioner at a town hall meeting how to be proud of the country.
cleek (33a0f1) — 6/25/2008 @ 12:17 pmwhy are y’all hating. to be honest i feel just like her. i wasn’t proud to be american for a long time until now. half of you talking have no clue what we as black people had to go through. the hanging of blacks, the beatings, being called a nigger, not able to ride or eat in the same place as whites. getting wrongfully convicted of crimes that you didn’t do, man i can go on. why “we” as black people was treated that way? i look back at all that happen to my ancestors and that’s why i wasn’t proud to be american. so i know how Mrs. Michelle feels. her husband is making history right now and i am so damn proud. y’all can hate on the Obama’s all you want to but you are wasting your time. Barack Obama is what this country needs. John McCain, i am not gonna say anything bad about him or Sarah i just know Barack Obama will bring a change, a change we need. and about him not having enough experience, can somebody please tell me why you think John McCain is better experienced. thank you
obama/biden 08 (868105) — 10/8/2008 @ 12:38 am