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		<title>By: Are legal blogs now an essential check on innacurate Big Media reporting? &#171; Sophistic Miltonian Serbonian Blog ©</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-348465</link>
		<dc:creator>Are legal blogs now an essential check on innacurate Big Media reporting? &#171; Sophistic Miltonian Serbonian Blog ©</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] fuller context and facts after a media hit-piece has been released&#8212;after having once famously derided the utility of legal blogs: I hate ‘em. Hateful things. . . . I just think it’s so self-indulgent, you know. Oh, I’m so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] fuller context and facts after a media hit-piece has been released&#8212;after having once famously derided the utility of legal blogs: I hate ‘em. Hateful things. . . . I just think it’s so self-indulgent, you know. Oh, I’m so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack Sparks</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-261697</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 11:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True story - when I was at Boalt, we hosted the FedSoc national convention (or some such).  During the first evening's reception, a good friend of mine (who, like all conservatives at Boalt, was continually drunk) cross-checked AK into a tray of chicken satays. 

A few hours later, we were at the bar at the Hotel Durant, where AK was staying.  My friend was coming out of the men's room, which was right next to the elevator.  As AK was bending down to pick up his luggage, my friend stumbled and knocked him into the elevator.

My friend reads blogs.  I think the connection is pretty clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True story - when I was at Boalt, we hosted the FedSoc national convention (or some such).  During the first evening&#8217;s reception, a good friend of mine (who, like all conservatives at Boalt, was continually drunk) cross-checked AK into a tray of chicken satays. </p>
<p>A few hours later, we were at the bar at the Hotel Durant, where AK was staying.  My friend was coming out of the men&#8217;s room, which was right next to the elevator.  As AK was bending down to pick up his luggage, my friend stumbled and knocked him into the elevator.</p>
<p>My friend reads blogs.  I think the connection is pretty clear.</p>
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		<title>By: vcox</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-261677</link>
		<dc:creator>vcox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 05:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex is brilliant,still a great judge, and I hope he was jesting. It would be ironic if he were serious because he's a life-tenured blogger with the power of life or death. The rest of us get the chance to be emperors of pixelated nothingness, with the value of our opinions judged on their (usually slight) merit. Alex's opinions carry weight that has only an incidental relationship with their truth value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex is brilliant,still a great judge, and I hope he was jesting. It would be ironic if he were serious because he&#8217;s a life-tenured blogger with the power of life or death. The rest of us get the chance to be emperors of pixelated nothingness, with the value of our opinions judged on their (usually slight) merit. Alex&#8217;s opinions carry weight that has only an incidental relationship with their truth value.</p>
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		<title>By: Actually had a job</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-261657</link>
		<dc:creator>Actually had a job</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kozinski is just feeding his ego with his comments.  I've been in front of him several times and watched/listened to him - he is probably the biggest ego on any bench anywhere.

Remember, he was put on the 9th Circuit when he was 35 (something that won't happen again with the increased scrutiny).  No real prior experience - just appointments.

He is out of touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kozinski is just feeding his ego with his comments.  I&#8217;ve been in front of him several times and watched/listened to him - he is probably the biggest ego on any bench anywhere.</p>
<p>Remember, he was put on the 9th Circuit when he was 35 (something that won&#8217;t happen again with the increased scrutiny).  No real prior experience - just appointments.</p>
<p>He is out of touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Drew</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-261652</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 01:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think an important point has been overlooked in this discussion:
Did anyone have the presence to ask Judge Kozinski which blogs he reads?
I think we could repeat the Judge's comments about most blogs we read, at one time or another.  The comments here do get tedious at times; I can't imagine what it must be like at some of the LWNR blogs, for I never look there.  But, the reports carried here and at other sites are not encouraging, so why bother?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think an important point has been overlooked in this discussion:<br />
Did anyone have the presence to ask Judge Kozinski which blogs he reads?<br />
I think we could repeat the Judge&#8217;s comments about most blogs we read, at one time or another.  The comments here do get tedious at times; I can&#8217;t imagine what it must be like at some of the LWNR blogs, for I never look there.  But, the reports carried here and at other sites are not encouraging, so why bother?</p>
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		<title>By: MayBee</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-261641</link>
		<dc:creator>MayBee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 23:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Kozinski’s comments, and the other anti-blog comments in this thread, could just as easily have been directed at many mainstream media opinion columnists.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is true.
I like many blogs, and I go to them to read the opinions of those bloggers just as I may ask certain friends about their opinions.
I think bloggers that want to create a movement -to be something more than their own voice - are the bloggers that make the blogosphere look silly.
Before I ever get too outraged when someone puts down bloggers,  I think of Kos and Greenwald and I say "yeah, I can see how you'd come to that opinion".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Kozinski’s comments, and the other anti-blog comments in this thread, could just as easily have been directed at many mainstream media opinion columnists.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is true.<br />
I like many blogs, and I go to them to read the opinions of those bloggers just as I may ask certain friends about their opinions.<br />
I think bloggers that want to create a movement -to be something more than their own voice - are the bloggers that make the blogosphere look silly.<br />
Before I ever get too outraged when someone puts down bloggers,  I think of Kos and Greenwald and I say &#8220;yeah, I can see how you&#8217;d come to that opinion&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: NYC 2L</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-261603</link>
		<dc:creator>NYC 2L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 17:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over at How Appealing, Bashman says &lt;a href="http://howappealing.law.com/042707.html#024696" title="" rel="nofollow"&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; about the Kozinski kerfuffle:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Judge Kozinski and I supported opposite sides in the battle over whether to adopt Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 32.1, which allows parties to cite to unpublished and non-precedential federal appellate court rulings. He was quite personally invested in efforts to defeat that rule, but ultimately the rule change was approved. He and I also disagree over whether the Ninth Circuit should be divided. But, the person who can best explain whether and, if so, why Judge Kozinski doesn't like this blog (or me or my opinions on issues) isn't me. 

Of course, to the extent that I do publicly express opinions on controversial issues (which isn't often, and typically those issues are controversial only among fellow law geeks), and some people think less of me as a result, that's a risk that I've knowingly and willingly taken. So, there are certainly no regrets here. &lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over at How Appealing, Bashman says <a href="http://howappealing.law.com/042707.html#024696" title="" rel="nofollow">this</a> about the Kozinski kerfuffle:</p>
<blockquote><p>Judge Kozinski and I supported opposite sides in the battle over whether to adopt Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 32.1, which allows parties to cite to unpublished and non-precedential federal appellate court rulings. He was quite personally invested in efforts to defeat that rule, but ultimately the rule change was approved. He and I also disagree over whether the Ninth Circuit should be divided. But, the person who can best explain whether and, if so, why Judge Kozinski doesn&#8217;t like this blog (or me or my opinions on issues) isn&#8217;t me. </p>
<p>Of course, to the extent that I do publicly express opinions on controversial issues (which isn&#8217;t often, and typically those issues are controversial only among fellow law geeks), and some people think less of me as a result, that&#8217;s a risk that I&#8217;ve knowingly and willingly taken. So, there are certainly no regrets here. </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: NYC 2L</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-261598</link>
		<dc:creator>NYC 2L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kozinski's comments, and the other anti-blog comments in this thread, could just as easily have been directed at many mainstream media opinion columnists. I wonder if E.J. Dionne or George Will would be similarly written off as a waste of time if in some alternate universe they had begun as bloggers instead of in the traditional media. 

At the end of the day, it's not the medium that matters; it's the author and the content. Self-indulgent MSM claptrap is just as bad as self-indulgent blogger claptrap, except the former reaches more people. 

And just as an aside, as Pat has noted, Howard Bashman is the last person you can criticize as self-important or grandiose. He provides an invaluable service by compiling the most significant appellate law stories of the day in a famously terse, concise style, without any commentary. I think that Kozinski singled out Bashman is a big hint that Kozinski was kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kozinski&#8217;s comments, and the other anti-blog comments in this thread, could just as easily have been directed at many mainstream media opinion columnists. I wonder if E.J. Dionne or George Will would be similarly written off as a waste of time if in some alternate universe they had begun as bloggers instead of in the traditional media. </p>
<p>At the end of the day, it&#8217;s not the medium that matters; it&#8217;s the author and the content. Self-indulgent MSM claptrap is just as bad as self-indulgent blogger claptrap, except the former reaches more people. </p>
<p>And just as an aside, as Pat has noted, Howard Bashman is the last person you can criticize as self-important or grandiose. He provides an invaluable service by compiling the most significant appellate law stories of the day in a famously terse, concise style, without any commentary. I think that Kozinski singled out Bashman is a big hint that Kozinski was kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: DubiousD</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-261597</link>
		<dc:creator>DubiousD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 16:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's the irony: the elites who diss bloggers are the same elites who live and die by polls.

"According to Zogby, 75% of Americans believe X."

"A new poll from Rasmussen indicates 56% of registered voters say Y."  

"This just in: 41% of likely votes think Z."

Yet... while the elites prize the opinions of a thousand faceless individuals (randomly sampled and displaying no discernible expertise other than the ability to breathe air), these same elites denigrate any single voice from that sample group who would dare to speak out on his or her own behalf.

Now if I remember my math correctly (it's been a while), when the value of an integer is zero, doesn't a thousand times that integer also equal zero?  We're clueless idiots individually, but when we're polled as a mob, then we evince great wisdom?  

Don't think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the irony: the elites who diss bloggers are the same elites who live and die by polls.</p>
<p>&#8220;According to Zogby, 75% of Americans believe X.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;A new poll from Rasmussen indicates 56% of registered voters say Y.&#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8220;This just in: 41% of likely votes think Z.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet&#8230; while the elites prize the opinions of a thousand faceless individuals (randomly sampled and displaying no discernible expertise other than the ability to breathe air), these same elites denigrate any single voice from that sample group who would dare to speak out on his or her own behalf.</p>
<p>Now if I remember my math correctly (it&#8217;s been a while), when the value of an integer is zero, doesn&#8217;t a thousand times that integer also equal zero?  We&#8217;re clueless idiots individually, but when we&#8217;re polled as a mob, then we evince great wisdom?  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: assistant devil's advocate</title>
		<link>http://patterico.com/2007/04/27/kozinski-bashes-blogs/#comment-261592</link>
		<dc:creator>assistant devil's advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 15:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alex kozinski is right again.  a lot of people have told me i should have a blog, but i am insufficiently presumptuous to suppose that i could form a large posse of total strangers to visit my site every day, and insufficiently diligent to keep feeding them every day.  when blogging started, i predicted that it would die soon because there seemed to be more writers on the internet than there were people interested in reading them.  maybe i was wrong about that, we'll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alex kozinski is right again.  a lot of people have told me i should have a blog, but i am insufficiently presumptuous to suppose that i could form a large posse of total strangers to visit my site every day, and insufficiently diligent to keep feeding them every day.  when blogging started, i predicted that it would die soon because there seemed to be more writers on the internet than there were people interested in reading them.  maybe i was wrong about that, we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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