Comments on: David Mills on the LAT (Non-)Coverage of the Long Beach Black-on-White Hate Crime http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/ Harangues that just make sense Tue, 02 Dec 2008 12:45:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: nosh http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-125510 nosh Sat, 23 Dec 2006 03:33:19 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-125510 I have no special knowledge, but the judge's ruling to admit the fact of the blood found on the suspect but not the DNA analysis could be justified by: The limited probity of the DNA evidence. It adds very little to the mere fact that fresh blood was detected there. Time constraints. The judge was probably trying to get the adjudication finished before Christmas, and DNA testimony is time-consuming. Plus, if the prosecution presents an expert, each of the defendants would be entitled to present their own expert. Add these to the apparent lateness of the disclosure of the DNA analysis, precluding the defendants from doing their own. There are much more troubling incidents of police and prosecutorial misconduct here: Improperly suggestive line-ups, last-minute photo identifications by a crucial witness being done by a D.A. while prepping that witness, failing to disclose the existence of a taped interview of said witness done much closer in time to the incident, and taping over that interview tape. So we are left with a brutal beating of a white girl and her friends by a group of black juveniles, but circumstances and shoddy police work and prosecutorial ineptness making it unlikely that the correct perpetrators will be "brought to justice." I have no special knowledge, but the judge’s ruling to admit the fact of the blood found on the suspect but not the DNA analysis could be justified by:

The limited probity of the DNA evidence. It adds very little to the mere fact that fresh blood was detected there.

Time constraints. The judge was probably trying to get the adjudication finished before Christmas, and DNA testimony is time-consuming. Plus, if the prosecution presents an expert, each of the defendants would be entitled to present their own expert.

Add these to the apparent lateness of the disclosure of the DNA analysis, precluding the defendants from doing their own.

There are much more troubling incidents of police and prosecutorial misconduct here: Improperly suggestive line-ups, last-minute photo identifications by a crucial witness being done by a D.A. while prepping that witness, failing to disclose the existence of a taped interview of said witness done much closer in time to the incident, and taping over that interview tape.

So we are left with a brutal beating of a white girl and her friends by a group of black juveniles, but circumstances and shoddy police work and prosecutorial ineptness making it unlikely that the correct perpetrators will be “brought to justice.”

]]> By: assistant devil's advocate http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-124195 assistant devil's advocate Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:47:25 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-124195 article in today's times: "questions still shroud long beach assault" one of the questions staff writer joe mozingo raised "whether the beating was truly racially motivated" several paragraphs down, a witness quotes a male voice "i...hate white people." note the ellipsis. the times won't even allude to what that ellipsis covers, but with the benefit of my clairvoyacam (patent pending) i can tell you that it was a seven letter grammatically misplaced gerund starting with the letter "f" and pronounced as if the last letter were silent. the last sentence of the article raised a legal question, and i don't know the answer. blood matching the victim was found on one of the defendant's pants, the juvenile court judge admitted the blood but rejected the dna evidence on the ground that it was "too late". anybody know why? article in today’s times: “questions still shroud long beach assault”
one of the questions staff writer joe mozingo raised “whether the beating was truly racially motivated”
several paragraphs down, a witness quotes a male voice “i…hate white people.”
note the ellipsis. the times won’t even allude to what that ellipsis covers, but with the benefit of my clairvoyacam (patent pending) i can tell you that it was a seven letter grammatically misplaced gerund starting with the letter “f” and pronounced as if the last letter were silent.
the last sentence of the article raised a legal question, and i don’t know the answer. blood matching the victim was found on one of the defendant’s pants, the juvenile court judge admitted the blood but rejected the dna evidence on the ground that it was “too late”. anybody know why?

]]> By: krazy kagu http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-124170 krazy kagu Tue, 19 Dec 2006 15:53:57 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-124170 Hey JESSIE JACKASSOMN look at what has happened and you too AL SUARPTON how about if all those black thugs involved in these crimes should all be sent to federal prison for the rest of their lives with out you sticking your big fat noses in frankly they shoulds lock them up and throw away the key Hey JESSIE JACKASSOMN look at what has happened and you too AL SUARPTON how about if all those black thugs involved in these crimes should all be sent to federal prison for the rest of their lives with out you sticking your big fat noses in frankly they shoulds lock them up and throw away the key

]]> By: Darkmage http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-124125 Darkmage Tue, 19 Dec 2006 14:18:38 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-124125 iconicmidwesterner, You should check out <a href="http://www.timblair.net" rel="nofollow">Tim Blair's website</a>. Every so often, he links to an article in the Australian news where "men of no appearance" go a-rampaging. It's sickening. iconicmidwesterner,
You should check out Tim Blair’s website. Every so often, he links to an article in the Australian news where “men of no appearance” go a-rampaging. It’s sickening.

]]> By: Lord Nazh http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123974 Lord Nazh Tue, 19 Dec 2006 03:44:31 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123974 ADA: I've read many of your posts here, but I give you props for this one. Spot on. A 'Hate' crime is one of the most useless laws made. If someone does something illegal, and you don't think the punishment is enough, up the punishment. Don't waste taxdollars and time trying to determine whether they committed a hate crime on top of the original crime. It's ludicrous and wasteful and puts minorities in a position they don't want to be in (singled out yet again). ADA: I’ve read many of your posts here, but I give you props for this one. Spot on.

A ‘Hate’ crime is one of the most useless laws made. If someone does something illegal, and you don’t think the punishment is enough, up the punishment. Don’t waste taxdollars and time trying to determine whether they committed a hate crime on top of the original crime. It’s ludicrous and wasteful and puts minorities in a position they don’t want to be in (singled out yet again).

]]> By: David Ehrenstein http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123917 David Ehrenstein Tue, 19 Dec 2006 00:55:28 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123917 <a href="http://www.withoutsanctuary.org/" rel="nofollow">No reason to be PC</A> No reason to be PC

]]> By: rightisright http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123866 rightisright Mon, 18 Dec 2006 20:33:49 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123866 Mr. Mills deserves an award for pushing this to the forefront, and yes, Mr. Mills, they are cowards. People whose first action in the morning is to genuflect to PC, and pledge allegiance to it, are very weak. Mr. Mills deserves an award for pushing this to the forefront, and yes, Mr. Mills, they are cowards. People whose first action in the morning is to genuflect to PC, and pledge allegiance to it, are very weak.

]]> By: Steverino http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123845 Steverino Mon, 18 Dec 2006 18:51:51 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123845 <blockquote>“such laws could end up punishing blacks who commit violence against whites — which is a far cry from the historical experience that inspired hate-crime statutes.”</blockquote> I am having trouble with this statement. I don't have time to research this right now, but I know I've seen figures that show black-on-white crime is far more common than white-on-black.

“such laws could end up punishing blacks who commit violence against whites — which is a far cry from the historical experience that inspired hate-crime statutes.”

I am having trouble with this statement. I don’t have time to research this right now, but I know I’ve seen figures that show black-on-white crime is far more common than white-on-black.

]]> By: iconicmidwesterner http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123834 iconicmidwesterner Mon, 18 Dec 2006 17:49:00 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123834 I remember there was a similar situation in DC a few years back. Two black female teenagers were preying on elderly folks (white and black), by knocking on doors, claiming they needed help because of car trouble, gaining entry into the house, and then beating and robbing the old folks. While they were still at large stories on local TV news and in the Washington Post wouldn't give descriptions of the two. (The Washington Times did though.) Evidently the safety of our elderly must be sacrificied at the altar of PC. I remember there was a similar situation in DC a few years back. Two black female teenagers were preying on elderly folks (white and black), by knocking on doors, claiming they needed help because of car trouble, gaining entry into the house, and then beating and robbing the old folks. While they were still at large stories on local TV news and in the Washington Post wouldn’t give descriptions of the two. (The Washington Times did though.) Evidently the safety of our elderly must be sacrificied at the altar of PC.

]]> By: assistant devil's advocate http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123793 assistant devil's advocate Mon, 18 Dec 2006 16:24:31 +0000 http://patterico.com/2006/12/18/5543/david-mills-on-the-lat-non-coverage-of-the-long-beach-black-on-white-hate-crime/#comment-123793 you framed a question with two apparently mutually exclusive alternatives which are not actually mutually exclusive. the times can be at once 1) cowardly, and 2) actually believe that white on black violence is worse than black on white violence. this is why i oppose "hate crime" legislation. i had a feeling that it would put me in a lesser position relative to minorities in some quarters. all brutal assaults are hate crimes, and should be punished irrespective of the race of the participants. i've seen a couple of articles about this case in the times. i read where an intimidation effort was made against one of the key witnesses, who almost didn't testify. she looked out her window one morning and there were six thugs on top of her car. this is why i support the 2nd amendment. i will salute any citizen who blows away six homeboys in less than a minute. that's called chlorinating the gene pool. i wish michael mcgough would experience something like what the victims experienced in this case, to broaden his editorial perspective. you framed a question with two apparently mutually exclusive alternatives which are not actually mutually exclusive. the times can be at once 1) cowardly, and 2) actually believe that white on black violence is worse than black on white violence.
this is why i oppose “hate crime” legislation. i had a feeling that it would put me in a lesser position relative to minorities in some quarters. all brutal assaults are hate crimes, and should be punished irrespective of the race of the participants.
i’ve seen a couple of articles about this case in the times. i read where an intimidation effort was made against one of the key witnesses, who almost didn’t testify. she looked out her window one morning and there were six thugs on top of her car. this is why i support the 2nd amendment. i will salute any citizen who blows away six homeboys in less than a minute. that’s called chlorinating the gene pool.
i wish michael mcgough would experience something like what the victims experienced in this case, to broaden his editorial perspective.

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