Patterico Cancels his Subscription to the L.A. Times
I cancelled my subscription to the Los Angeles Times this morning.
I explained to the person who answered the phone that I was cancelling because I am outraged that the newspaper revealed classified details of a successful anti-terror operation.
They put me on with a “specialist,” and I repeated the reason for the cancellation. He said they were sorry to lose me as a subscriber. “I’m sorry, too,” I said. And I am. I’ve had my differences with the paper — plenty of them — but I’ve been subscribing since 1993. That’s thirteen years.
He said: “Of course, different people have different opinions about what’s written in the newspaper . . .”
I told him that this has nothing to do with disagreeing with what I read in the newspaper. I disagree with the newspaper all the time. This is different. The newspaper made a deliberate choice to print classified details of an anti-terror operation that, by all accounts, was effective and legal. Key members of Congress had been briefed on it and had no problem with it. Strict controls were in place to prevent abuse, and those controls appear to have been effective.
Moreover, the program had been successful. The government had used it to capture the mastermind of the 2002 bombing of a Bali nightclub. That bombing killed 202 people, I said. I felt myself getting angry all over again as I continued the explanation. That’s more people than died in the Oklahoma City bombing. It’s the equivalent of catching Timothy McVeigh.
I told the man that officials from the Bush Administration had begged the newspaper’s editors not to print this story, but the editors ran the story anyway. I told him that I think publishing the story was completely irresponsible, totally lacking in any justification, and has posed a threat to the safety of our country. And I just can’t continue to subscribe to a newspaper that would do such a thing.
He didn’t argue with me after that.
UPDATE: Marc “Armed Liberal” Danziger cancelled his subscription as well. Although Marc and I speak often, we hadn’t discussed this. We just independently came to the decision that we can’t fund a newspaper that would do something like this.
I hope this becomes a trend.
UPDATE x2: Thanks to Instapundit, Power Line, and Hugh Hewitt for the links. And thanks to Power Line for making this blog its “Blog of the Week.” I hope new readers bookmark the site and return often.
>>>He didn’t argue with me after that.
But the Liberals dufuses who come to this blog will argue with that.
Comment by Carlos — 6/24/2006 @ 9:39 am
Geez Potterico, where is your dog going to piddle now?
You know in some ways reading the Los Angeles Times (I read it for the sports section, and the sports section alone) is like watching an intellectual train wreck. They’ve got a lefty named Blind Bush Hating Prejudice for an engineer, and boxcar loads full of cant and hypocrisy behind the engine. They’ve also got a couple of tank cars full of oleaginous self congratulatory manure tea in the consist.
Every now and then I make the mistake of getting past the first sentence of a Tim Rutten op ed piece, and then feel the need to take a shower
Cancelling my LA Times subscription is going to be my birthday present to myself—my wife will argue because she likes to do the crossword puzzles and read a bit of the local news.
Comment by Mike Myers — 6/24/2006 @ 10:00 am
How are you going to fisk them now?
I read the paper every now and again at the local greasy spoon, which has baskets of papers left by other diners.
Comment by Grumpy Old Man — 6/24/2006 @ 10:14 am
Take it one step further. Take the paper from the day of the story, get a list of major advertisers. Call them and tell them you won’t do business with them for two months. Get others to do it. That gets more attention at the LA Times than the cancellation of a subscription.
Comment by Nemo — 6/24/2006 @ 10:14 am
I cancelled my NYT subscription two years ago. Feels great, doesn’t it! I don’t miss it at all, for a while I subscribed to the TV Guide which was pretty much all the paper was good for anyway. The news is old, and every single article editorializes in one way or another.
Comment by Steve Morton — 6/24/2006 @ 10:17 am
The L.A. Times makes me furious nearly every day of the week. The only reason I read it is to see what “the other side” has to say. I’m so sorry that you’re cancelling, Patterico, because now I won’t have a blog to read that soothes my daily anger at their idiocy.
Comment by Jackie Warner — 6/24/2006 @ 10:19 am
I am on the verge of cancelling the dead tree version too. Today’s lead editorial is what has pushed me over the limit. As I read between the lines I detect that what the Times is saying is that they are so mad about the Terrorist Survellaince Program (the controversial wiretapping), they are going to go ahead and expose any and all anti-terrorism measures they discover, even the ones that have been authorized by Congress such as the Swift program. It’s almost as if they are trying to bully the Administration — shut down the wiretapping or we will foul up every other intelligence program you have — and that is too close to outright sedition for my tastes.
Comment by JVW — 6/24/2006 @ 10:21 am
How are you going to fisk them now?
Oh, I’ll still read the paper online. I can’t simply refuse to ever access the web sites of the New York Times and Los Angeles Times. But I can refuse to subscribe.
Comment by Patterico — 6/24/2006 @ 10:22 am
More Reactions to NYT & LAT Security Breaches…
While I got all hot & bitter over yesterday’s actions by the New York Times and (as Hugh Hewitt put it, it’s wingman) the LA Times, the Anchoress, as usual, puts it brilliantly:
So the NY Times has, once again, been asked (by a bi-partisan group) …
Trackback by OKIE on the LAM - In LA — 6/24/2006 @ 10:25 am
I agree with the comment regarding contacting the advertisers. I suggest the following for maximum effect:
–Cancel subscriptions
–Tell them why you’re cancelling, not only by telephone as did Patterico, but also in writing, both by e-mail and snail mail
–Boycott advertizers, and let them know, by e-mail and snail mail
It works. Look at the NYT stock price over the past two years.
Comment by Steve Morton — 6/24/2006 @ 10:27 am
If JVW, and others throughout the blogosphere, are correct in their accusations against the LAT/NYT/WaPo over this issue, someone needs to go to jail. Will it happen? Not likely! Can we bankrupt them? It would be nice.
Comment by Another Drew — 6/24/2006 @ 10:29 am
As I read between the lines I detect that what the Times is saying is that they are so mad about the Terrorist Survellaince Program (the controversial wiretapping), they are going to go ahead and expose any and all anti-terrorism measures they discover, even the ones that have been authorized by Congress such as the Swift program.
Bingo. I’m a little surprised they’d come out and say it, however veiled, but it doesn’t make me feel any better that they think they have a rationalization.
Has it ever been like this before in history? I know the papers have always been partisan, but …
Like the war on terror, the protection of Americans’ privacy isn’t a partisan issue.
Nice alliteration. But meaningless sentiment. Of course the war is partisan, because the anti-war crowd has made it so. It shouldn’t be all about “privacy.” It’s about priorities. And logic. Or at least it should be. “What do they teach them at these schools?”
Enjoy the time you saved by ceasing to read the print LAT, Patterico.
Comment by Anwyn — 6/24/2006 @ 10:40 am
Good going, Patterico. The possibility of prosecution for sedition is miniscule, but it certainly does expose the Plame hysteria hypocracy. For a newspaper that went over the moon about a CIA agent who was unimportant - they don’t seem concerned with security.
Comment by Kathy — 6/24/2006 @ 10:41 am
One more comment: On Friday, the day of the article, the overall stock market was down about 0.10%, while the NYT was down 2%. Apparently the editors are willing to shoot themselves in the foot to make a “point.”
Comment by Steve Morton — 6/24/2006 @ 10:45 am
Tom Maguire at Just One Minute points to this in the NYTimes as a warning that they’re not through with their war against the war BTW:
I’m trying to figure out if there’s anything the administration can do to stop them. Maybe Patterico will fill us in on prior restraint law.
Personally I’d hate to see the administration have to prosecute over it, in fact I doubt that’s politically feasible.
Comment by Dwilkers — 6/24/2006 @ 10:49 am
PS, my second quotation above was the last line of the lead editorial at LAT online, which I assume is the same piece JVW was talking about.
Comment by Anwyn — 6/24/2006 @ 10:52 am
Bravo Patterico!
You did the right thing even though you have a valid reason for continuing to subscribe to the dead tree version. But, don’t second guess it, don’t look back, you really can get along without the Dog Trainer.
Now, how about making a fast buck? Sell “T” shirts on your Blog with something like “Preserve Freedom of the Press, Kill the LA Times” or some other similar slogan. Heck, the folks here can come up with dozens of pithy put-downs.
I’ll buy a “T” shirt, or two, if they have pockets, there’s nothing so useful as a pocket on a “T” shirt. I’ll gladly pay up even at a somewhat modestly inflated price. There are limits, ya know.
So, have fun, help preserve national security, make a nice chunk of change, land a few hard blows on the bad guys, provide a public service, jerk the jerks around a bit, and look good doing it. What say?
Comment by Black Jack — 6/24/2006 @ 10:56 am
Given the Liberal Left’s history of involvement in Radical Chic causes that benefitted thugs and madmen, I have to wonder if the reason the Left is so hysterical about the phone records analysis, phone tapping, and this examination of banking records is an attempt to hide something.
Over the years these fools have given material and (im)moral support to many other insurgencies, terrorist groups, and violent criminals. Could it be that they now fear that connections that seemd thrilligly cutting edge might now be seen as traitorous and criminal?
Maybe we should call for a full audit of the LA Times’ and NY Times’ ‘philanthropic’ donations over the last couple of decades…..
Comment by C. S. P. Schofield — 6/24/2006 @ 10:59 am
Since I quit reading the Arizona Republic I seem more relaxed,no more phony polls put out 6 months in advance of some proposition they are in favor of,no more insulting cartoons by Steve(absolutly Nuts)Benson.The liberal press needs to be boycoted and ignored for our Nations safety.
Comment by jainphx — 6/24/2006 @ 11:20 am
As a former NSA employee, I can’t begin to describe my disgust with the LA Times and NY Times for knowingly giving away secret programs that have helped keep our country safe for decades.
Kudos to you for cancelling your subscription. When I returned to Philly in 2002, I was eager to get a subscription to the Phila Inquirer and “catch up” on local news, but after a year I cancelled because it was an agent of the 5th Column.
Comment by Richard Davis — 6/24/2006 @ 11:22 am
Oh and by the way How dare the Bush Administration perform these functions to protect us,with out first obtaining permission from these self appointed nut cases.
Comment by jainphx — 6/24/2006 @ 11:27 am
BEYOND THE PALE…
I refuse to take a back seat to anyone in my support for constitutional principles. No lefty, no privacy advocate, no civil liberties absolutist, and certainly no smarmy, self righteous, sickeningly smug Executive Editor of a newspaper like the New Yo…
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Pingback by Amber » Blog Archive » Patterico Cancels his Subscription to the L.A. Times — 6/24/2006 @ 11:30 am
K-Lo at the Corner has joined the trend.
Comment by See-Dubya — 6/24/2006 @ 11:36 am
Good for you.
Let’s hope the end is near to these seditious bastards. They surpass even the Copperhead press of the Civil War era, who villified Lincoln but to my knowledge did not reveal classified information in order to defeat him.
Comment by Patricia — 6/24/2006 @ 11:39 am
I droped the LAT in 1988 after 26 years. To me the real pitty was that before the “Big O” took over, the Times was a great paper. As proved by their growing circulation. Had it remained a great paper they would not have been forced to lie about their circulation to pump up ad revenue in the late 70’s and 80’s ; which lead to several bad court decisions in the 90’s which in turn almost killed the paper. Had not the Trib bought it I am sure it would no longer be around. The Communist shot puter from the Farm hated America and hired people whith a similar hatred; many of whom are there today.
BTW they disclosed similar “secrets” in the Nam war; to aid the Commies - Otis’s heroes! Helping America’s enemies has been SOP for the LAT for 45 years. Which is why I canceled in 1988.
Comment by Rod Stanton — 6/24/2006 @ 11:48 am
Our esteemed host wrote:
The best revenge: you get to slam them without giving them any money!
Comment by Dana — 6/24/2006 @ 11:54 am
The urinalists at the NY and LA Times have been pissin’ on America for a long time. All the Yellow rags have been as far back as I can remember. They’ve been doing it for so long, it’s all they know how to do.
But now they’re not just pissin’ on America, they’re shittin’ on us too. I guess they derive some kind of scatological satisfaction from it.
But then again, what more can you expect of a left leaning weenie with his ass in the air, except a lot more pissin’ and moanin, and the gas to go with it?
Comment by Al Pyne Crowe — 6/24/2006 @ 12:02 pm
I wish someone would stand outside the LA Times building with an “LA Times Aids Terrorists” sign.
Military Families would applaud that kind of protest.
Comment by Richard Davis — 6/24/2006 @ 12:07 pm
“I think publishing the story was completely irresponsible, totally lacking in any justification, and has posed a threat to the safety of our country.” - Patterico
You could offer (and may have) the same arguments re Abu Ghraib. Gen. Richard Meyers phoned CBS several times requesting the story not be aired. Yes, that wasn’t a clandestine surveillance op, but the story did pose peril to U.S. lives and stoked the insurgency.
I think the papers would have steered clear of this had the NSA revelations not been in the wind. Manufactured outrage - especially in the cable news era - dominates editorial decision-making. No one likely argued: “Hey, here’s a way to assure readers our government is marshaling its covert assets to smoke out jihadist paymasters.”
On the other hand, there’s an ongoing debate about snooping and civil liberties. One could suggest the Patriot Act’s provisions should never have been publicized and rancorously debated.
Not everything the Administration does requires independent review. But fears Congress can’t be trusted with ANY such disclosures breeds a facile and arrogant preemption. One very much in character.
Swift isn’t an open-and-shut question. Neither is its disclosure. We might be better off not knowing lots of things.
Comment by steve — 6/24/2006 @ 12:10 pm
Hit Them Where It Hurts…
The only reason these newspapers chose to publish this highly sensitive information is because they thought it would boost their sales. They took a gigantic risk. If more people do what these two bloggers did, who knows, both the LA and the NY Times ma…
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Do you think the story was leaked to further bury the “WMD’s Found” news?
Notice the Right hasn’t been able to get the WMD discovery to grow legs due to this traitorous distraction.
Comment by Richard Davis — 6/24/2006 @ 12:19 pm
[…] Bryan thinks I’m crazy for believing that a boycott of the paper’s advertisers is either possible or would do much damage. Perhaps. But the anger among right-wing pols and pundits is pushing ten and holding steady. Look at it this way: if Patterico’s angry enough to unsubscribe to his chief source of content, what will other Americans be willing to do? […]
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You could offer (and may have) the same arguments re Abu Ghraib.
Nope. That was clear wrongdoing. I was upset at those who perpetrated it, not the newspapers for reporting it.
Not everything the Administration does requires independent review. But fears Congress can’t be trusted with ANY such disclosures breeds a facile and arrogant preemption. One very much in character.
My understanding is that key members of Congress were briefed and were fine with the program.
Swift isn’t an open-and-shut question. Neither is its disclosure. We might be better off not knowing lots of things.
I think it’s pretty damn close to open-and-shut. It was classified. It had controls. Congressional leaders were briefed. It related to activities (international wire transfers) in which people have little privacy interest. It was apparently legal. And it was successful.
Comparing this to Abu Ghraib strikes me as a desperate attempt to defend the indefensible.
Comment by Patterico — 6/24/2006 @ 12:19 pm
The DoD first announced the Abu Ghraib story–it told the press in January 2004 that they were starting the investigation, and then the story didn’t really break until late Feb. or maybe March.
Comment by See-Dubya — 6/24/2006 @ 12:28 pm
Didn’t the NYT break the story?
Comment by actus — 6/24/2006 @ 12:37 pm
Old line print media is in collapse beyond anything you comprehend.
You do not understand the animal and most of the industry doesn’t understand it themselves.
1) Old line media blame “the speed of the internet” for their demise in circulation.
2) While you canceled your subscription the public doesn’t get it that subscriptions only amount to 10% of their revenue.
3) Subscriptions have been in decline for all but one major city newspaper despite population growth.
4) Perhaps a growing core of readership no longer trusts old line print media content since the advent of new media!???!? LOL
5) Major papers have been slammed by Audit Bureau of Circulation for fraudulent circ reporting in the recent past.
6) However, Advertisers buy ad space based on represented circulations.
7) Advertisers have been going back against newspapers for misrepresentation of circ that they paid for and are demanding cash.
9) ADVERTISERS IN GROWING NUMBERS WANT TO BE SEPARATED FROM THE EDITORIAL CONTENT!
10) You do not have lay offs for a bad quarter. You do not have massive lay offs to increase profits. Corporations like LAT, NYT and other print media have had major lay offs because they are losing their A$$. More lay offs are coming.
11) Old line print media has just completed two of the most disastrous quarters in their history. 4th Q is a guaranteed take it to the bank quarter for print advertising and it was a big loser for newspapers last year… the first loser in nearly forever.
12) First quarter was a disaster for the industry and 2nd quarter is shaping up even worse.
13) It is the internet but in the form of opportunity and challenge presented by the new medium to research and cross check lies told that is bringing old line print to its knees and as the editor of the Chicago Tribune editorialized before the ‘04 elections….. they are no longer able to “Filter the truth”.
14) What everyone fails to recognize is the time delay in the cause effect chain between the impact of new media, the drain of financial reserves, the denial of the new paradigm, the mergers and consolidations, the attempts at functional changes like faster presses and more electronics and lay offs, the collapse of ad revenues only after the collapse of circulation. It has taken years but the vice is now rapidly closing on their tender parts.
OLD LINE PRINT MEDIA IS IN FINANCIAL IMPLOSION!
As Churchill once wrote “THE CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST” (CU’s Churchill)
Comment by fly — 6/24/2006 @ 12:37 pm
Jeez I dumped them in’92 after watching the riots live and then reading the lies by commission and not reading the lies by ommission in the LAT. Then you subscribed and cancelled me out… shoot
Comment by kenny p — 6/24/2006 @ 12:38 pm
Didn’t the NYT break the story?
The LAT and NYT both conducted investigations and published their stories at the same time.
Comment by Patterico — 6/24/2006 @ 12:38 pm
So the LAT could have printed it the next day? but not the day they did?
[If you weren’t *trying* not to understand, this would be simple. To my knowledge, the papers that did the investigation and blew the secrecy of the program were the NYT and LAT. Period. They are the two papers that rushed to expose this, and the only two I know of that the administration begged not to print the story. Everyone else, including WaPo and WSJ, as far as I can tell, just followed suit — they published details that the LAT and NYT were already exposing. — P]
Comment by actus — 6/24/2006 @ 12:42 pm
Right Cross To The Wallet…
Patterico has canceled his subscription to the LA Times over their printing of the story about the legal and effective anti-terrorist money tracking program.
I explained to the person who answered the phone that I was cancelling because I am …
Trackback by Blue Crab Boulevard — 6/24/2006 @ 12:45 pm
I can’t cancel or threaten non-purchase because I live on the right coast. But if somebody will post a listing of their advertisers (who market nationally) I will be glad to write to them and complain about their association with the treasonous rag.
Comment by Bill Schumm — 6/24/2006 @ 12:57 pm
“Comparing this to Abu Ghraib strikes me as a desperate attempt to defend the indefensible.” - Patterico
What’s indefensible is to minimize the privacy context. We just hauled AT&T’s chairman to the Hill to assure the public he’s not breaking laws handing over phone records.
The debate over warrantless spying on telephone calls and e-mails rages.
This is the most expansive database on international financial transactions the U.S. has ever possessed. We can stipulate it’s been used only for the stated purposes and yields crucial intel on Middle Eastern “charities” channeling assets to terror groups.
The Swift consortium tells the NYT today it remains “very resolute in its commitment to the financial tracking operation.” It added its role was “never voluntary,” by the way. The WSJ today profiled the U.S.-born point man, Leonard “Lenny” Schrank.
Your arguments have merit. I just think it’s more of a stunt than dazed consternation.
[Sure. You think that because you don’t like me. But I don’t see a compelling enough privacy interest in international wire transfers to justify crippling an effective and legal anti-terror program. — P]
Comment by steve — 6/24/2006 @ 12:58 pm
What’s indefensible is to minimize the privacy context.
No, what’s indefensible is the conceit that the privacy of a vast majority of Americans is at risk. That’s simply not true.
Comment by Anwyn — 6/24/2006 @ 1:02 pm
Sheez Patterico, I’m suprised that it took this long for you to cancel your subscription. What are you going to wrap your fish in now?
Although I didn’t have a subscription to cancel I sent a letter to them explaining my anger toward thier irresponsible and callous decision to print the story.
Talk about your all time publicity stunt backfires…
Comment by Trickish Knave — 6/24/2006 @ 1:04 pm
Congratulations to anyone who cancels a subscription to the NYT. Unfortunately, that is not what you will hear from talk radio, conservative papers, conservatives on cable and large parts of conservative blogs. Yes, they will say the New York Times (which is primarily responsible for breaking this story at NYT Online) is far kooky Left, irresponsibly ideological and even treasonous. But even conservative outlets are still part of the media and they will not suggest that you cancel your subscription, that you boycott those who advertise in this liberal rag or patronize and encourage those who will not (i.e. GM). Why read or listen to someone rail on about the NYT if there is nothing they propose to do about it? This should provoke a massive fallout led by media conservatives, but people in glass houses …
Comment by William Grubb — 6/24/2006 @ 1:04 pm
The data mining had/has some pretty strict controls on it, according to this:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/threatchaos/index.php?p=349
Comment by steve — 6/24/2006 @ 1:15 pm
And I’ll huff and I’ll puff and I’ll blow your house down!
When an administration uses the argument “It will endanger national security” when they really mean “It might embarrass the administration” their protestations ring hollow. If their “secrets” were so precious, their own secret-keepers wouldn’t leak them.
P makes a statement by cancelling his subscription, but he won’t give up the website and I’m confident will still take every opportunity to criticize the LA Times. How lame.
Comment by nosh — 6/24/2006 @ 1:18 pm
BTW michellemalkin.com has some excellent WOT posters in the “loose lips sink ships” vein.
Comment by Patricia — 6/24/2006 @ 1:23 pm
According to the wash post article on the program, at first the program was getting a lot of data, but it was too much, and thus they targetted it down to certain suspects.
Good thing they told us that!
So not just involuntary Belgians, but also a consulting firm could have been sources?
Comment by actus — 6/24/2006 @ 1:29 pm
According to the wash post article on the program, at first the program was getting a lot of data, but it was too much, and thus they targetted it down to certain suspects.
Gee, thanks for making my point.
Comment by Anwyn — 6/24/2006 @ 2:02 pm
If people don’t go to jail over this, including journalists, George W. Bush and Alberto Gonzales are just being negligent.
It’s alright that the President’s people begged the LAT, NYT, and WSJ not to run this article, but clearly they didn’t give a sh*t [asterik used to delete offensive letter] and ran it anyway.
If a person refuses to obey the law and protect national security when you ask them to, then it’s time to move beyond asking to serious prosecuting.
N’est pas?
Comment by Chris from Victoria, BC — 6/24/2006 @ 2:05 pm
They didn’t beg the WSJ not to run it. When NYT pressure was imminent, and disclosure was inevitable, then they talked to the WSJ. The WSJ is running only what the government told them about the program.
Comment by See-Dubya — 6/24/2006 @ 2:51 pm
How to stop the New York Times II ……
So Patterico has canceled his subscription to the LA Times, Marc Dansinger does too. Several bloggers have indicated they have canceled their subscriptions to the New York Times. Kathryn Jean Lopez at NRO’s The Corner has decided not to re-up her week…
Trackback by Squiggler — 6/24/2006 @ 3:23 pm
[…] Patterico and Armed Liberal have canceled their subscriptions to the L.A. Times. If you subscribe to the L.A. Times, the New York Times, or the Wall Street Journal, you should consider doing the same. Hell, if you subscribe to the Chicago Tribune or any other paper affiliated with these treasonous creeps, consider canceling that subscription, as well. It’s high time for the public to tell these self-righteous jerks that they do not speak for the public, even when … nay, especially when … they smarmily claim to be acting in “the public interest.” […]
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A shame the editors won’t care……
I applaud Patterico’s standing up for principle. Unfortunately, his message will go unheard by those he wishes would listen. The editors with whom he is unhappy don’t care about individual subscribers in general, and they care even less about individ…
Trackback by Thoughtsonline — 6/24/2006 @ 3:58 pm
Way to go Pat!!!! I wish there was a way you could continue your excellent blog without referring to the LAT, NYT et al.
Personally I went “Timesless” 10 years ago. The WSJ is close to the do not resubscribe list. There financial news has been almost totally eclipsed by the internet. Too many financial reporterettes with a puerile understanding of corporate matters.
As others have stated, I wish someone could publish and list of
LAT, NYT advertisers and theri addresses.
Comment by rab — 6/24/2006 @ 3:59 pm
Good move, Patrick. I cancelled mine a couple weeks back. I always wondered what it would take for you to finally give and stop being a subscriber. You picked an excellent position to slam them with, but will they get the message, not only from you, but from the cacophony of angry voices over this story?
The NYT and LAT are cultures that must be replaced in order to save them. But no one has the brains or the chutzpah to get it done. Maybe blogger Macsmind is right: a class action suit brought against the papers by their readers for endangering the nation. I have yet to see any legal voices chime in on this suggestion, but I have some bucks I’d put toward it.
Comment by Brian — 6/24/2006 @ 4:04 pm
No need. Thank the washington post for revealing this.
Comment by actus — 6/24/2006 @ 4:11 pm
Same here. I was in the USAF Security Service and worked at NSA for 6 months. Also did related work for a private contractor after I left the service. NYT and LAT are leaking info about programs that, in previous wars, people would DIE to keep secret.
Indict the reporters and editors. Then squeeze ‘em to find out the leakers and throw the book at THOSE bastards.
Comment by Arthur — 6/24/2006 @ 4:23 pm
No need. Thank the washington post for revealing this.
So you think it was a great act of courage for the papers to get people to reveal classified information to the effect that our privacy is not being compromised?
That’s smart.
Comment by Anwyn — 6/24/2006 @ 4:27 pm
I don’t think its that great of an act of courage, no.
Comment by actus — 6/24/2006 @ 4:38 pm
Welp, I think I must be misunderstanding your position, actus. Do you think what the papers did was justified?
Comment by Anwyn — 6/24/2006 @ 4:58 pm
Sorry, but I have to dissent. Please, please reconsider your decision to cancel the Times. If you’re no longer reading this newspaper, who’s to be our watchdog over the seriously flawed work by Hiltzik, Weinstein, Rutten and company?
Comment by James Fulton — 6/24/2006 @ 5:05 pm
What Bill Schumm said about advertisers goes for me too - I’m sure they have some national companies advertising with them. (NYT too.)
Comment by Kathy K — 6/24/2006 @ 5:23 pm
Needed: a first-rate, non-biased, online newspaper…
What is really needed is an online newspaper, one with solid reporting and impeccable source credentials and deep investigative journalists, that can be trusted not to violate national security, and one which does not write and edit with an obvious b…
Trackback by Common Sense Political Thought — 6/24/2006 @ 5:41 pm
If someone were to start a website showing photos of newspaper vending machines being vandalized (super glued coin slots, dog doo doo, etc…) side by side with Abu Ghraib prisoner photos would this be legal in the US?
Comment by Tom Villars — 6/24/2006 @ 5:53 pm
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I like knowing what the washington post told me. Is that what you mean? Or do you want to know if it was a crime?
Comment by actus — 6/24/2006 @ 5:57 pm
It gives me some satisfaction to mail back the NYTimes and LATimes subscription mailer envelopes empty so they have to pay the postage and they get no subscription out of me. If a lot of people did that, I imagine it would cost them a bundle!
Comment by Linda — 6/24/2006 @ 6:05 pm
Enemies Are Reading……
The New York Times.* It’s the paper preferred by more terrorists.
See original WWII posters
(Click image to enlarge)
Bank Data Sifted in Secret by U.S. to Block Terror
The NY Times reports:
Viewed by the Bush administration as a vital tool…
Trackback by California Conservative — 6/24/2006 @ 6:07 pm
The President of the US begging for action has no impact on the Times. Attention Pulitzer people: That’s integrity! A few key advertisers who want accomodation… well, that’s a different story. That’s just business.
Comment by Mr. SNicth — 6/24/2006 @ 6:26 pm
Cancelling your subscription is well and good; but the LA Times is owned by the Chicago-based Tribune Company. Tribune’s stock has been in the toilet of late - their bonds were recently reduced to junk status - in large part because of the LA Times, which has been an anvil around the Tribune’s neck due to plummeting circulation and revenues.
The Times also ran a piece recently that gave the finger to Dennis FitzSimmons, Tribune Company’s chairman:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-fitz20jun20,0,1345121.story?page=2&coll=la-home-business
So don’t phone the Times and tell them why you’re cancelling; you’re talking into a dead phone. Write to FitzSimmon and Tribune Company. Tell them exactly why you’re pissed off and why the Times’ gross irresponsibility is costing Tribune Company money. Write on paper; the address is 535 North Michigan Avenue, Chicago, IL 60611. Encourage Tribune to clean house. Frankly, I’d like to see the Timesmen doing hard time in Levenworth, but seeing them booted onto the street would be a step in the right direction.
Don’t expect anything to happen: FitzSimmons is a nutless wonder who fully deserves the Times scorn. But maybe he’ll grow a pair - stranger things have happened.
Comment by Brown Line — 6/24/2006 @ 6:41 pm
I like knowing what the washington post told me. Is that what you mean? Or do you want to know if it was a crime?
I mean, does your personal satisfaction in knowing about this outweigh the national interest involved in it being kept secret?
Comment by Anwyn — 6/24/2006 @ 7:24 pm
When I cancelled my LAT subscription in early 2003, the girl who took the call laughed and said she was getting a lot of similar calls. That was after a particularly odious Robert Scheer column. Last fall, I decided to subscribe again. Bad move. I got a series of dunning calls because I had failed to pay my first payment on time. I never got a bill but nevermind. So I cancelled again.
The NY Times subscription got cancelled yesterday morning. The young man took a long letter by dictation and promised to send it somewhere in the organization.
I wonder if they care. I suspect the marketing strategy for the past two years or so has been to respond to the demands of the hard left base of their subscribers. I have been told the same trend is evident at the ACLU. All the moderates have left already.
Comment by Mike K — 6/24/2006 @ 7:33 pm
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Pingback by Flopping Aces » Blog Archive » Our Self-Absorbed Media — 6/24/2006 @ 7:49 pm
I just took a quick look at the NY Times web site. On the front page were ads from the following companies:
E-Trade Financial
Samsung
Air France
Fidelity
Chase
Citibank
Scott Trade
I have accounts at Fidelity and Chase; will send them emails to let them know I will be moving my accounts.
Comment by Bdb — 6/24/2006 @ 7:52 pm
The problem is that you can only cancel once. Since I cancelled after their shamelessly partisan election coverage, I’ve wanted to double, triple, and quadruple cancel, but when I call to tell them to make note of my name so that they will refuse to start my subscription if I ever make that mistake, they don’t even put a specialist on the line.
What we need is a way to reduce their monopoly subscriber base.
What we also need in Los Angeles is an honest newspaper that cares about the city and the nation, and maintains a decent respect for the opinions of those who see through the bogus pieties of the left.
Comment by lincoln republican — 6/24/2006 @ 7:56 pm
STEAL THE L.A. TIMES — STEAL THE N.Y. TIMES
There are laws against treason which protect American lives, indeed the country itself.
There are also laws against stealing, which protect money and property and other supposedly conservative interests.
See how quickly the treacherous liberal “Steal This Book” establishment finds a new respect for law, and concerning nothing more than filthy money.
This is the perfect non-violent campaign–there is a risk of jail, there is a direct financial interest to the bad guys, and it’s something which anybody can do quite easily. You can even explain it to the shopkeeper on your way out, discouraging shops from carrying the LA TIMES/ NEW YORK TIMES.
So go on and open up that paper machine–take the copies out and leave them there. Go through the checkstand with three–pay for one and tell the shopkeeper what you are doing. Snatch and grab a stack from wherever you wish! Bigger stores are better targets, however–the goal is not to hurt small shops, but to anger large ones.
This way, perhaps the TIMES’ bottom line will get a taste of America’s bottom line–treason will not be tolerated.
Comment by haakondahl — 6/24/2006 @ 8:08 pm
Goddam, can you imagine these scumbags being on the job during World War II?
“The Roosevelt Administration and its allies within the British government have cracked a German communications code, reportedly called ‘Enigma’. As part of this program, put in place with no congressional or judicial assent, mathemeticians gather each day in Bletchley Park in England to attempt to decipher the day’s messages from the German military.
Sources close to the operation have grown uncomfortable with the legality of eavesdropping on German radio communications without a warrant from a judge…”
Comment by Kevin — 6/24/2006 @ 8:23 pm
If I have a “right to know” the details of anti-terrorist programs that are working, legal and helping capture or kill our enemy, surely I have a rght to know who Joe Wilson is married to and what she does for a living. Free Scooter!
Comment by Tom Spaulding — 6/24/2006 @ 8:28 pm
You can tell “Pinch” what you think of the NY Times at this email address:
publisher@nytimes.com
Comment by Michael — 6/24/2006 @ 9:04 pm
What we really need is to write the advertizers. Cancellation of one subscription is not going to hurt them. Withdrawal of one or more major advertizers will.
Comment by Brad Charan — 6/24/2006 @ 9:10 pm
i would cancel my subscription to the new york times except i already did last summer when it became plain that they were using their coverage of the current iraq war to give the benefit of the doubt to our sworn enemies but nothing of the sort to our own troops.
i would love to see a protest take place here in new york against them. i have never in my life even come close to attending such an event, but this is one i would attend.
Comment by john conway — 6/24/2006 @ 9:51 pm
Sending the empty envelope is a great idea–I usually use it to send a diatribe.
Comment by Patricia — 6/24/2006 @ 9:57 pm
Does it cost a newspaper money if I subscribe then unsubscribe a week later? What if I do that once a week [x52]? What if 100 others do the same [x5200]?
Comment by Fen — 6/24/2006 @ 10:03 pm
Those sound like apples and oranges to me.
Comment by actus — 6/24/2006 @ 10:47 pm
My subscription has long since been cancelled.
Comment by Dan (AKA GayPatriotWest) — 6/24/2006 @ 11:23 pm
Zinging the New York Times…
The New York Times ( The LA Times and others, too ) is the Big Loser by giving aid, and comfort, to the enemy, as Good Old Yankee Ingenuity meets Photoshop, and Americans Outrage grows by the day. Those old…
Trackback by Sneakeasy's Joint — 6/24/2006 @ 11:51 pm
I’ll not buy an LAT either, no subscription. But to be honest with school out I don’t get my free classroom copy anymore. It’s the appearance of solidarity that counts.
Comment by Pat Patterson — 6/25/2006 @ 12:15 am
[…] Los Angeles Times subscribers Patrick Frey and Mark Danzinger have canceled their subscriptions over the disclosures. […]
Pingback by Hoystory » Blog Archive » Fallout continues — 6/25/2006 @ 1:33 am
[…] The New York Times has repeatedly revealed secret information about programs that the government uses to track and capture terrorists. One such program involves the oversight of internation financial transactions amongst suspected al-Queda terrorists. The New York Times published all the details about this program, effectively eliminating its secret status. The New York Times intentionally ran the story, despite the fact that Tony Snow had specifically asked them not to, and also despite the fact that the program was perfectly legal, and key members of the Senate had been briefed about it. […]
Pingback by Fresh Tasty Ideas | Blog Archive | The media are the enemy — 6/25/2006 @ 1:37 am
The commentator above is exactly right, I think, who says Otis was the kiss of death. It was a great institution for many, many years, but none of those years are recent. The same can be said for the Chicago Tribune, and the Detroit Free Press, for that matter, and other Knight newspapers. When John S. Knight died it was like the death of Henry Luce–vast enterprises went directly into the toilet.
Comment by exguru — 6/25/2006 @ 1:39 am
If you ever get down this far on your comments (lol), I live just over in Long Beach. I haven’t bought that paper for over 8 years. I figured the coupons were not worth it. I do not need someone in the news section telling me what to take away from the articles. Just give me the facts, Ma’am. Great job. I’ll be back. Have a great weekend.
Comment by Rosemary — 6/25/2006 @ 4:26 am
Unless our esteemed host’s cancellation is publicized enough to start a major trend, the Times will not notice, nor will they really care. Those amongst the management who do think about it will probably be glad that Patterico has dropped his subscription; they’ll think that the 2006 Dog Trainer Year in Review article won’t be quite so damning.
But. most of all, they’ll think that it doesn’t matter, that it was just some rednecked yahoo who cancelled in a fit of pique, and they think that they are above that sort of reader.
The only way it makes an impact is if thousands of people cancel; didn’t that happen once, a couple of years ago, after the Times did something smarmy during the recall election?
Comment by Dana — 6/25/2006 @ 4:58 am
Bush v al Qaeda + al NY Times…
I learned about the al New York Times front page story giving our enemies aid and comfort 17 minutes after it happened. I haven’t been able to write, because I just don’t know anymore. What purpose was there for us to have this information?…
Trackback by My Newz 'n Ideas — 6/25/2006 @ 5:10 am
“P makes a statement by cancelling his subscription, but he won’t give up the website and I’m confident will still take every opportunity to criticize the LA Times. How lame.
Comment by nosh”
Aside from the snarky tone, ad rates are based upon subscription numbers. I read stories online at many papers. They don’t get credit for that with the ad rates.
Comment by Mike K — 6/25/2006 @ 5:23 am
Boycott Boycott Boycott!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by drjohn — 6/25/2006 @ 5:42 am
Anwyn,
Don’t expect a straight answer out of Actus. He couldn’t even decide if Osama bin Laden was worse than George W. Bush.
As someone who worked as a journalist for more than a decade, I can tell you that reporters who print this information think they’re doing the readership some sort of favor, not that they are damaging the country. The only way they will take the terrorists seriously is if THEY’RE offices get targeted. So far, the only person who talked about that was Ann Coulter…and we know how fast certain people decried her for that.
Comment by sharon — 6/25/2006 @ 5:46 am
What became of the companion thread labeling as treachery the NYT front-page story: “U.S. General in Iraq Outlines Troop Cuts?”
Comment by steve — 6/25/2006 @ 7:02 am
Re #100
Comment by steve — 6/25/2006 @ 7:42 am
I just did it too - cancelled my LAT subscription - after 26 years. When I told him why I was cancelling, the customer service guy tried to give me “alternatives” like calling the Editorial Dept. and leaving a comment, or writing a letter to the editor - he said my comment would have more weight behind it if I was a subscriber! (One of the diminishing number.)
Comment by Jim — 6/25/2006 @ 7:51 am
Psycho Killers…
So. I read that the Los Angeles Times, one of the most irresponsible newspapers in America, has published top secret details of a program to monitor movement of money in bank accounts to help catch terrorists and disrupt their fi……
Trackback by Dean's World — 6/25/2006 @ 8:03 am
The wonder of it is that either the LAT or NYT still has any subscribers. And you only get the satisfaction of canceling your sub once. We need to hurt these companies fatally…though, judging by the stock price of the NYT, they’re doing a pretty good job of it all by themselves.
What these papers are doing is treason, and I’d love to see those responsible hang, preferably on TV.
Comment by Peg C. — 6/25/2006 @ 9:23 am
Mike K (who is obviously not mikekoshi) wrote:
But this leads right up to the obvious question: if print circulation continues to decline, and ad revenues drop with the decline, how can the newspapers stay in business at all?
That’s not just a question concerning whether the L A Times ought to get trashed because of what they printed, but of newspapers in general.
They are eighteenth century technology, trying to survive in the twenty-first; something fundamental has to change.
Comment by Dana — 6/25/2006 @ 9:34 am
Dont they have ads online?
Comment by actus — 6/25/2006 @ 9:37 am
Alot of folk speak of the two moonbat ‘Times’ publications and their corporate lemmings as being guilty of merely trying to defeat President Bush.
I disagree somewhat.
These pricks have been trying to defeat us all.
They’ve long striven to set the standard for Western malaise and outright defeat for at least as long as Walter Duranty’s lies have been foisted off as truthiness within the grey b*tch’s pages.
Their nuanced propaganda has crossed a line of late as they’ve upped the progressive ante so blatantly in placing their fellow citizens and soldiers at risk - for profit no less. They are now nearly weekly engaged in not so petty acts of sedition on top of their more regular euphemistic aid and comfort to our society’s avowed
insurgentsenemies. Enemies I might add who openly view them as supremely tractable useful idiots in the left-driven jihad against the achievements of our civilization.Consequently, I don’t just want to see these publications hurt financially, I want to see their silver-spoonfed socialist arses relegated to mumbling their nihilisms from dingy cardboard boxes in their overtaxed urban ghetto alleyways whilst suffering to take their meals from the very church-sponsored soup kitchens they instinctively hate.
I relish the day when I get to hear the collective wails and gnashing of their stockholders dentures as their investments in socialist engineering become as bankrupt as the potemkin broadsheets they $ponsored.
It’s funny how these chauffeur driven socialists place so much stock in their bottom line.
It’s almost as if they expect to be on some sort of top after they somehow manage to defeat the hated marketplaces of the bourgeois and finally make room for their zero sum feverswamp of a utopia (AKA: Dustbin of history).
Comment by monkeyfan — 6/25/2006 @ 10:03 am
The Time Has Come:
As a loyal citizen of the United States, outraged at the continual disregard for American national security shown by the NY Times and the LA Times, and recognizing the wanton disclosure of programs used to investigate terrorism constitutes a threat to my inalienable rights, life and liberty among them, I hereby acknowledge that a state of open hostility exists between us. Although only the NY Times and LA Times are named, many others are also involved in the conspiracy and they too are subject to the provisions hereto setforth.
Attacks on my rights can no longer be tolerated or ignored, and the responsibility for hostilities and the consequences to third parties are theirs alone, they are responsible, individually and collectively.
Offensive operations in response to their unprovoked and unprincipled attacks will commence shortly and continue unabated until the belligerent parties renounce the policies and activities which instigated this conflict, remove the persons responsible, make public and sincere apologies, put in place mechanisms which preclude any repetition of such treachery, make restitution, and surrender without condition.
Comment by Black Jack — 6/25/2006 @ 10:23 am
“The LAT and NYT both conducted investigations and published their stories at the same time.” - Patterico
David Frum, the ex-Bush speechwriter, on CNN’s Reliable Sources:
Spirited debate.
Comment by steve — 6/25/2006 @ 11:21 am
Patterico is absolutely correct here. This kind of nonsense is precisely why I dropped the Chronic Democrat, here in Rochester, some time ago. (Frank Gannet would be doing barrel rolls in his grave if he’d seen what they’ve been doing with his name, the last few decades!!)
As a matter of fact, if I were Patterico, I would go ahead and take a step farther and a list of their major advertisers and call them and tell them that you won’t do business with them until such time as they remove themselves from the paper in question.
There are no unanswered questions here, as some would suggest. The program in question, already had those questions asked about it, and it was deemed fully legal. That should have ended the conversation. But, because the Bush haters hate Bush more than they love their country, it suddenly becomes a ” serious question”. What a pile of sludge. Those that are raising these “questions”, are now being justifiably, and quite publicly spanked by their own readership, both in the world of the press, and the blogs.
Even if they do claim they’ve ‘taken no side’ yet. That they’ve even asked such questions, pre-labels them, and those they side with, seals the glue on the label. Even if, even if, they now back off of those statements by saying “I’ve taken no side”. The side is taken can be seen by everybody else, apparently, but them.
Comment by Bithead — 6/25/2006 @ 12:08 pm
Shhh. You don’t want your secret plans leaked.
Comment by actus — 6/25/2006 @ 12:33 pm
Yeah, this is all pretty goddamn funny, isn’t it, actus?
Comment by Patterico — 6/25/2006 @ 12:56 pm
Blackjack’s “offensive operations” ? Only if you’re into very dark humor. Whats he going to do? carry out Ann Coulter’s wish for McVeigh?
Comment by actus — 6/25/2006 @ 12:58 pm
With your comment, you seem to be making light of the need for secrecy regarding something that *is* important: effective anti-terror measures. Sure, BlackJack’s stuff is kind of comical, but I read your comment as also making fun of the need for secrecy as to information that really needs it.
Comment by Patterico — 6/25/2006 @ 1:05 pm
P — Go ahead and drink the Kool-Aid. The Leader says it is necessary to protect us from Snowball.
Comment by nosh — 6/25/2006 @ 1:22 pm
A particularly effective way to rib the guy that’s going to “offensive operations” over it.
Comment by actus — 6/25/2006 @ 1:31 pm
A particularly flip way to treat serious issues of national security.
Comment by Patterico — 6/25/2006 @ 1:35 pm
The Leader says it is necessary to protect us from Snowball.
OK. None of this has to do with Iraq, nosh. It has to do with fighting al Qaeda. Do you dispute that Al Qaeda destroyed the Twin Towers? Or do you assert that they simply blew over like the windmill in Animal Farm, and Bush/Napoleon is simply picking Al Qaeda as scapegoat?
Because otherwise, I confess I don’t really understand your comment.
Comment by Patterico — 6/25/2006 @ 1:41 pm
Thats what i’m trying to point out to blackjack!
Comment by actus — 6/25/2006 @ 1:42 pm
That you’re flip about national security? I think he already knows that.
Comment by Patterico — 6/25/2006 @ 1:44 pm
I’m sure that the editors of The New York Times and The Los Angeles Times would all say that of course they support America, of course they don’t support al Qaeda, but that they think the Swift program was just too broad, too intrusive, too violative of the rights of Americans, and the America that they want to see win is the America that stands up for the individual and civil rights of all of its citizens! (It’s not difficult to picture them, playing VCR tapes, over and over, of Senator Kennedy’s “In Robert Bork’s America” harangue.)
And, who knows, they might even believe that bovine feces!
The problem is that, in their seizure of the authority to decide what is a good weapon against the terrorists, and what is an improper weapon to use (an authority I thought we had elected a President and Congress to hold, but whatever), they have made it less likely that the America they want to see win is going to win; they have made it more probable that a terrorist attack will be able to succeed.
The America they want is an America every one will love — despite the fact that there are some who will never love America. The America they want is an America for whom no one will ever have to fight — even though there are people out there who are willing to strike at us. The America that they want is one in which their egocentric concepts of how the world should be are shared by every man, woman and child — and illegal immigrant, of course — and any of the few, obviously uneducated fundamentalists who disagree would be completely marginalized and politically helpless.
In short, they want a world in which everyone agrees with them, and they are so lost in their self-important egos that they can’t possibly conceive that other people would actually see things differently.
One wonders what color the sky is in their world.
Comment by Dana — 6/25/2006 @ 2:07 pm
That he is.
Comment by actus — 6/25/2006 @ 5:57 pm
FEELING GUILTY LAT??
According to Doyal Mcmanus of LAT, his paper was still talking to AG Gonzalez office when this story appeared on NYT Online. This is from Mcmanus on an NPR Friday 9 a.m. morning talk show, presumably implying the NYT was solely responsible for breaking this story. It sounded like he knew this was a big no no before it was even news. How do they sleep at night?
Comment by William Grubb — 6/25/2006 @ 7:27 pm
[…] I cancelled my subscription to the L.A. Times yesterday, so today was our first day without the dead-trees version of the paper. […]
Pingback by Patterico’s Pontifications » Ah, the Benefits of Being an L.A. Times Non-Subscriber — 6/25/2006 @ 8:17 pm
Hi guys,
I subscribed to the LA Times a few extra times today to make up for your absences. The LAT is a pretty shitty paper, admittedly. But its existence is far less troubling than the right-wing cryptofascist bloggers like you all, who hunger for a world without a professional free press.
Comment by Rich Liberal in California — 6/25/2006 @ 10:20 pm
Sure you did Rich… but if you had a brain and truly wanted to support liberal newspapers, wouldn’t you just donate the money straight to them instead of subscribing? Any fool knows that newspapers must report earnings to stock holders and actually buying subscription only give them a small fraction of money. Now if you wanted to really impress them, buy a full page add of your drivel instead of just lying to us. Then you could actually prove your point instead of looking like a lying POS that you actually are.
If you actually was a “Rich liberal in California” then we all know you inherited it, because you don’t have the business sense to know how the real world works. Sure you don’t want to change your name to “dumb as bricks in Cal”.
Comment by LowOiL — 6/26/2006 @ 12:14 am
Now that wasn’t so hard, was it?
Proud LA Times non-subscriber since 2003.
Comment by PrestoPundit — 6/26/2006 @ 12:34 am
[…] LA Times critic Patterico has finally had enough — and joins hundreds of thousands of other Southern Californians with the cancellation of his subscription to the LA Times. […]
Pingback by PrestoPundit » Blog Archive » Come On In, The Water Is Fine — 6/26/2006 @ 12:37 am
That cinches it. I’m subscribing as of Monday.
Your side lost, hippies.
Comment by Jesus Christ, Miracle Caterer — 6/26/2006 @ 1:25 am
To MIke Myers:
Tell your wife she can go online and download all the crosswords at the LAT, then print them.
Same for the stupid sports stuff, and, you can ignore Simers just as easily.
Comment by Shelly Sloan — 6/26/2006 @ 2:19 am
“I subscribed to the LA Times a few extra times today to make up for your absences. The LAT is a pretty shitty paper, admittedly. But its existence is far less troubling than the right-wing cryptofascist bloggers like you all, who hunger for a world without a professional free press.”
Professional?! God, you didn’t sit through those lame ass journalism classes if you think they’re “professional.” The only thing “professional” about journalists is their ability to down 5 beers at closing time.
Comment by sharon — 6/26/2006 @ 5:05 am
Why not put 50 cents in your nearest vending machine and remove all the papers. Leave them on top of the machine for anyone to take. That’s not stealing. You’re not taking the papers. You’re leaving it up to the next person.
Comment by Brian Brain — 6/26/2006 @ 7:31 am
I have never been in the military, but I fully understand, and agree with, the concept of “need to know.” I, and the rest of America, had no compelling need to know this story. The only thing the bi-Coastal Slimes had in common in their leaking of national security interests was to show their support for the
head-chopping terroristsmilitants they so desparately love. And their BDS, of course.Comment by RickZ — 6/26/2006 @ 8:00 am
Patterico
I am with you completely. But something puzzles me. Speaking of the NYT now, Keller says in his apologia that they talked with the government for several weeks and were asked not to publish. But if the government had said “This would be against the law and we will prosecute you to the fullest extent”, I doubt they would have published. I wonder what the strategy is,if any, by the Admin.
Comment by JohnH — 6/26/2006 @ 11:33 am
How far can you walk with the papers before it becomes stealing for you?
Comment by actus — 6/26/2006 @ 11:58 am
“How far can you walk with the papers before it becomes stealing for you?”
How many one-line posts can you make defending the indefensible?
Comment by sharon — 6/27/2006 @ 4:22 am
You talk too much.
Comment by Thilo — 6/27/2006 @ 6:41 pm
Its vandalism and rather petty theft to take the stuff out of the newspaper box. Not so indefensible.
Comment by actus — 6/27/2006 @ 6:56 pm
I don’t agree with the taking newspapers out of the box thing.
Comment by Patterico — 6/27/2006 @ 6:57 pm
As the Right is so fond of reminding the leftists when it comes to privacy issues: “Why worry about investigations if you’re not doing anything wrong?”
Comment by Jesus Christ, Miracle Caterer — 6/27/2006 @ 9:19 pm
How can anyone recommend stealing to further a political cause? Are you a caveman?
C’mon, we have to do better than that.
Comment by Steve Morton — 6/28/2006 @ 5:33 am
You guys are right that stealing the paper is the wrong response. It only hurts the small distributor, who still has to pay SlimesCo for every copy.
Somebody, take one for the team! Go down to your local Fourbucks coffee establishment, flip through the paper, and make a list of advertisers. Then post it here. (I would do it myself, but I’m about to leave on a camping trip — going to a place where there isn’t even plumbing, let alone Internet access.
)
Happy Independence Day in advance, everyone!
Comment by Mary in LA — 6/30/2006 @ 3:32 pm
I’m sick and tired of someone subsrcibing under a bogus name to have the LA Times deliverd at my house. The other problem is that then the Times sell that bogus name with my phone number and address with a mailing list.
I wish there was a legal remedy to stop them
Comment by Ron M — 7/2/2006 @ 6:30 am
My paper can out-liberal yours!!! I was a lifelong subscriber to the Minneapolis Star & Tribune, the clarion for blonde socialists. I cancelled about two years ago. Every six months or so I write their ombudsman and tell her how wonderful life is without the hiss and slither of their so-called journalism. At first she wrote back to me but now she realizes I am a “kook” who extracts a lot of satisfaction from watching their monopoly being de-constructed brick-by-brick.
If truth prevails, the Star-Trib is out of business.
Comment by Jerry Lindberg — 7/19/2006 @ 8:11 am
Hey! you can go to one of those mall kiosks and have your own shirt made….I think some of them even have quantity discounts!
I am all for sedition charges! Had these guys been around during WWII, we’d all be speaking German now! (and they would have been executed!
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Comment by carole — 7/25/2006 @ 3:00 am
AN EMPLOYEE OF CITIGROUP IS SENDING ME EMAIL WITH A VIRUS ATTACHED! WHAT ELSE WILL THEY DO?
Carmel doesn’t want to have a McDonalds or other such franchises but they allow a corporation in which treats ethical employees with wrongfully termination while out of work with a doctors note and they lie to their clients in Carmel about why I am not their anymore. WHY??? Why don’t they just tell them that they fired me while I was at home ill? I don’t have a problem with telling them the truth why do they?
WHY DOES CITIBANK IN CARMEL LIE TO THEIR CLIENTS ABOUT WHY I AM NO LONGER AT THE BANK? ARE THEY ASHAMED OF WHAT THEY DID TO ME? THEY KNOW VERY WELL THAT I DID NOT LEAVE TO WORK WITH MY HUSBAND THEY FIRED ME VIA UPS AND I AM ON DISABILITY DUE TO THEIR TREATMENT, THREATS AND HARASSMENT
Why hasn’t Citibank responded to the Dept. of Thrift Supervision and what else will they lie about to the Dept. of Fair Employment & Housing ?
Citibank Ethics?! Please post & forward my story I need your help, please help us get this story out, please forward to everyone you know. Why do the employees at branch 915 in Carmel, Ca., tell their clients that I left the bank to go work for my husband, instead of telling them the truth which is that I was fired on 12/13/05 via UPS & their HR- Connect One system has me as an active employee out on disability and now I am an active employee on leave of absence with pay. So, am I fired or on leave of absence??? If I am on leave of absence then why don’t they say that instead of lying to the clients and telling them that I left to work for my husband. I don’t work for my husband, I am not allow to work , I am ill thanks to Jeff Ursino and Citibank treatment. Why won’t they tell the truth to the clients and what else are they lying about? Are they ashamed of what they have done? Perhaps I should take out an AD in the local paper and tell the community the truth myself? Why do these employees tell clients that they aren’t allow to talk about why I am not at the bank, but yet when they do talk about it they lie!!
On 5/31/06
Sharon Law Tucker sent me her new business card and asked me to call her because she had miss placed my phone number during the phone call she mentioned that it was Laura Richardson which told her a few months ago that I left to work for my husband, is there anyone at the Carmel branch that can tell the truth???
The letter I’ve include with this email is from a concern client of Citibank
My question is will the teller be fired and if not why not? This teller left out about $10,000.00 in the unlocked front drawer 2 different times with in a two week period and had two shortages in one year, one for $100.00 and the other for $450.00.
Where the cash drawer is concern two employees signed the vault book stating they witness her put the cash away, obviously not true.
One of these two employees had the bank pay for her daughters overdrafts and the manage was aware, against company policy.
This teller entered false referrals into the systems to make the banks numbers look better and this was done under the supervision and direction of the supervisor, when I brought this up to the manager none of the three tellers which input false referrals were written up, falsifying bank documents and no write up but I get written up for missing a Saturday, why? Unfair and unequal treatment by the manager. Where are the ethics?
As I’ve stated, the unethical employees still have jobs and I get fired after the manager receives my email on 12/13/05 at about 1:45 p.m., and he acknowledges receiving it, it clearing answers his question/comment that he was calling to see if I was coming. The email states that my doctor had called in and spoke to Kathleen: as well as faxing in my doctors note which the manager returned to me with my termination letter received two days after I had been fried with no check, with no break down explanation, no vacation pay, misleading information and so on, note clearly stating my disability time off. Did he read the doctors note? Did he let upper management know that my doctor had call and faxed information?
The manager called I returned his call but he was with a client.
I requested to communicate via email and I emailed him, Kathleen and Human Resource, so why was I fired sometime after he received my email and the end of the day if he was just calling to see if I was coming in and if not to contact HR? Unfair and unequal treatment.
It makes no sense. Why weren’t the labor codes followed? Did he get HR permission to fire me?
Why then wasn’t my check included with my letter of termination? Aren’t I to be fired at the location which I work? Were my rights violated when he had Kevin send me my termination letter, did he know I was getting fired prior to me receiving my letter?
March 25, 2006 Dear Ms. Deloney,
I would like to take a moment and thank you for responding to my comments regarding Damari and the manager. I am sure that you are a very busy and important person and I appreciate your time. Damari is truly missed at the bank, since her unfair termination by the manger, the atmosphere at the bank is boring to say the least. Damari added life and laughter and she enjoyed serving the customers. I feel deeply, that the manager made a huge mistake in dismissing her while she was ill. What kind of a manager would dismiss an employee while they are ill?
As I say this, I now have further concerns about another teller name Andrea. I was in the bank and was told that she has injured her knee and will be out of work for about six weeks. I’m sure that Andrea has a doctors note as Damari did, I hope that the manager doesn’t make the same mistake and decides to terminate her and mail her a letter before she returns as he did Damari when he terminated her instead of waiting for her to get well and return to work. Although I would understand if he were let her go as she spends most of her time at work doing her homework , reading and she isn’t available everyday. Andrea will move on, on her own to become a teacher, this is what she goes to school for two days a week. By her going to school, I feel this puts a strain on the staff. I understand that the rest of the tellers along with Kathleen are now having to work six days a week and Kathleen is running a window: she doesn’t have the charm or customer service skills which Damari offered the bank.
We go into the bank often and we rarely see that manager. I feel that it would be in the best interest of the bank to find a permanent manager as soon as possible, one whom appreciates competent employees as Damari. Frankly, I don’t understand how a temporary manager was given the authority to dismiss an employee such as Damari with her wonderful skills , talents and dedication to her job. Therefore my concerns are now for Andrea whom doesn‘t compare with the kind of service Damari offered your customers. As I stated before, the other tellers spend too much time speaking to customers about personal things and shopping on the computer instead of banking conversations. I frequently witness them reading and eating while at their windows: this is very unprofessional.
I feel it would be in the best interest to Citibank to launch a complete investigation on the manager, as you stated would be done and seriously consider removing him from Carmel. In my opinion since he arrived the atmosphere is tense and if I can sense it I am sure that other customers do. This manager has taken all the personal touch and charm out of the bank and I feel the employees fear for their jobs: no one should have to work under those conditions. Keeping this manager at this or any branch is sure to destroy you business. Again, thank you for your letter and taking the time to look into this situation.
Sincerely, Clifford Bagwell
In a letter dated 01/06/06,Citibank states, Pursuant to Section 1089 of the Ca. Unemployment insurance Code, regarding notification of changes in employment status, please be advised that your employment was terminated on 12/13/5 for failure to follow call in procedures
RE Section1089 and other codes which Citibank may have violated
Other codes they may have violated labor code section 208, 226, 226.3,201.25,2441, 2800,2802,2926,2927,6400,3602(6),3852,2922,civil code 47(c)
I was fired on 12/13/05,it states that each employer shall notify the employee immediately, yet I didn’t find out until 12/15 as I received my notice of termination via UPS on12/15
When I was fired I was not supplied with “copies of printed statements or materials relating to claims for benefits by Citibank.
Citibank claims that I didn’t follow the call-in procedure yet my doctor called on 12/12 & faxed in a notice which stated that I would be out from the 12th-16th.
Jeff claims that he called me to see if I was coming in on 12/13 at 10:25am,almost 2hrs after my shift started, he states that if I wasn’t coming in that he wanted me to contact HR to inform them of my extended absence. How does one go from calling to see if I’m coming in & ask me to call HR to Jeff stating & deciding that I should be fired yet in my email to him at 1:45pm on 12/13 it states that the doctor had spoken to Kathleen & faxed in my doctors note which he returns to me w/letter of termination.
How does he justify terminating me? I was out on work related stress and my blood pressure, my doctor called for me to keep my stress & blood pressure down, as far as not calling in I had my doctor call: the call was made for me to protect my health. Why wasn’t it stated in my termination letter that I failed to follow the call in procedure. Why does Citibank state to the DFEH that I called in on 11/15 & said that I would be out the rest of the week yet I worked on the that day & the supervisor approved my timecard on 11/22. What else are they not being honest about?
Why are the employees which falsify bank documents & break policy still have jobs?
Reply to Damari Stratford 1291 Ord Grove Ave, Seaside 93955 831-583-9077
CITIBANK IS NOT BEING HONEST WITH DFEH THIS IS A LETTER I SENT MY GOVERNOR
Dear Governor, First Lady and Staff,
I have been awake since 1:05 a.m. I was having a difficult time sleeping again due to my conversation with Ann Lueckeman from the DFEH. Ann and I spoke on 3/08/06, Citibank apparently faxed in their reply on 3/07/06. Ann read to me some of the statements that Citibank made on their reply Citibank states: that I called in on 11/15/05 and that I stated that I would be out the rest of the week, this is a lie!!! I happen to have my time card for the week ending 11/19/05 and it clearly shows that I worked the 15th, I was off the 16th and I worked the 17th and that I was out sick on the 18th and 19th and that the manager approved my time. Citibank states that I refused to work on Saturdays but they don’t mention that I, unlike them, was willing to meet them half way. Citibank is not telling the truth. To further support that I was at work on the 15th and 17th I have my journal notes with specific times of things that occurred on those two days. How does an honest and ethical person fight against unethical people who lie? How can I protect myself if I can’t afford an attorney and I can’t find one to work on a contingency basis? The other night, on TV, my husband and I heard that the government spends 4 million to train wasp and I can’t get help from The White House or our Senators or Congress, to defend myself against a corporation which is taking advantage and lying about this situation? The only one that has offered to help is the Governors office and although I appreciate the letter and the call from the Governors office this does not get me an attorney. I have diligently search for assistance to no avail. I am now begging for help, I can’t continue to loose sleep and live on anxiety medication; this situation is wearing on me. Again, please, is there anything more that you or our government can do to help my family and I, for this wrongful termination? Why is Citibank lying? I feel like I am going to have another panic attack and I had to resign to taking medication to calm down. This is totally and completely unfair, unjust, wrong and no one should have to go through what Citibank has put my family and I through. I only wonder how many other wrongful termination’s Citibank has gotten away with because people are afraid to go up against them or just don’t have the money to fight and protect them selves? My husband and daughter are worried about me and so am I.
PLEASE HELP US. I don’t know what else to do and I don’t want to give up. Sincerely. Damari
AS OF 4/21/06 SENT TO THE GOVERNOR
I SPOKE WITH THE EMPLOYEE RELATIONS DIRECTOR OF CITIGROUP TODAY, IT WAS ADMITTED THAT THERE WAS SOME WRONG INFORMATION GIVEN TO THE DFEH REGARDING THE 17th OF NOVEMBER, 2005. CITIBANK WILL BE SENDING IN A “NEW’ RESPONSE DUE TO NOT DOING THE INVESTIGATION THOROUGHLY THE FIRST TIME. SO WHAT ELSE ARE THEY NOT DOING THOROUGHLY OR ETHICALLY? DAMARI
I HAVEN’T HEARD FROM YOUR OFFICE AS I WAS TOLD I WOULD BE CONTACTED PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH ME, THANK YOU
A BETTER EXPLANATION Mother fired by Citibank for no good reason
I am searching for an Employment Attorney willing to work on a contingency basis. I was fired while I was out sick, the managers states in a note added to my personnel file that he had called me to see if I would be coming into work on Dec. 13th but yet with my letter of termination he returned to me the faxed in doctors note, faxed in at 3:44p.m. on 12/12/05 by my doctor, which clearly stated that I would be out from 12/12-12/16/05. He sent me my letter of termination thru UPS, which arrive on 12/15/05. The manager knew that I was out on work related stress and I had a workers comp case pending. The manager states that I was fired for not complying with my warning and I asked how I could comply if I wasn’t there to comply so then I get a letter from HR stating that I was fired for failure to follow the call in process but my doctor had called in for me on the 12th due to my stress level and blood pressure. The doctor had spoken to the supervisor on the 12th so they were aware that I wouldn’t be in on the 13th and my doctor has the notes on my file that she had made a call in for me. Citibank did not follow their own procedures when they fired me. The EEOC has given me the right to sue and the letter arrived on 2/17/06 so my 90 days have started. The DFEH has also launched their own investigation which Citibank received notice on 1/23/06 and should be responding to the notice any day now, (as of 3/8/06they haven’t responded). I had an outstanding performance history with the bank; I had worked there for 4 years 2 months 6 days. I was the head teller one of the notary and the only Spanish-speaking teller. I have at least 40 letters of support from Citibank clients and I can prove that the manager was not equal with all the employees and although he was aware of the teller cooking the books under the direction of the supervisor none of them were put on corrective action yet I was written up for missing my first Saturday and then again when I missed my 2nd Saturday although I had a doctors note to be out of work due to my blood pressure and stress brought on by the manage and the unfairness in treatment. I had been threaten with job abandonment but at that time I hadn’t missed any work long enough to be accused for this. Citibank violated code 132A of the worker comp law and I do have an attorney for that but they are unable to deal with all the other issues. I have a strong feeling that the manager never told HR that my doctor had called in for me nor did he share my doctors note with them, he is to get approval from HR before firing me yet fired me by 4:30 pm or so, I had also emailed him that day at 1:45 pm and explained that my doctor had spoken to the supervisor and faxed in a note, again he was aware that I wouldn’t be in. The manager had called my cell phone and left a message at about 10:25 am, he states that he called because I hadn’t called in a half an hour prior to my shift, which started at 8:30 a.m., why did it take him 2 hrs before calling me? And I would bet that the supervisor had made arrangements to have a teller there to cover my shift since my doctor called her. Please help my family and I. Sincerely, Damari
Home 831-583-9077 all calls to this number are screen please leave a message, Cell phone 831-236-0112 Again please help us
Sheri, (4/22/06)
The reason the conversation came to an abrupt ending is due to my frustration with this issue, yes I was upset and angry and my stomach was turning and my chest tightening, I had it get off the phone and calm down and I took some Xanax to calm the anxiety attack which I felt coming on.
As I explained on the phone, I have lost 25 pounds since Jeff Ursino first threaten me with job abandonment, I don’t sleep well, I grind my teeth , I have gone to the emergency room for chest pains and a heart doctor and so much more. I have nightmares. From my house I see Highway 1, a constant reminded of the unjust done to me.
I have seen about 10 different doctors and I have been given about ten different medications, I have been seeing a therapist every Friday since Nov. 2005 and I have only missed 2 appointments with him.
My job was very important to my family and I, I have cashed in my IRA and 401k, my pension is on the way, I have sold some stocks at a lost to insure I have funds and all this because I was fired and I don’t know how long I will be ill and I have bills. I have spent hours doing paper work for things such as unemployment, disability, activating credit protection dealing with connect one, Met Life. health insurance and more. I don’t know how my benefits are being paid, I am not being directly billed and no one sends me the information I requested. I have lost my employee rate on my credit card and I still have to make payments to one of them.
Can you imagine arriving home and seeing a UPS envelope addressed to me from Kevin Squires only to open it and find a letter from Jeff terminating me. Every time I see a UPS truck I feel I will be getting more bad news from Citibank. I did call him, he was with a client, I called his cell phone, he didn’t answer, I emailed him, he received it and didn’t respond but instead fired me, he lies, he returns my doctors note which stated the time I would be off, they lie to the DFEH, why wasn’t the research done thoroughly in the first place, why were both of my write ups sloppy with incorrect dates and information? I wasn’t fired for my performance, Jeff just wanted to hurt me more and this was his way.
I was told that the center didn’t have enough employees for some one to have Saturdays off but even though the center is short staff he fires me and allows Andrea to be out every Tuesday and Thursday but yet we were short staffed. I can’t believe that all of this has happened to me for being ill and yet other employees did things that were more of a risk to the center than being out ill.
I am sorry for raising my voice at you, I hope you understand it isn’t directed at you, it is about the situation which Jeff created. I can’t deal with more paper work and I don’t trust anything Jeff or Kathleen say, they are unethical and will say anything to make themselves look good. At this point I will not be reading the attached Arbitration policy which you attached to this email, I can’t deal with more paper work, I will research other avenues and continue to tell my story since I can’t sleep.
Met Life denied my long term disability but yet didn’t talk to any of my doctors and I need to deal with that and other issues. Thank you for you time, Sincerely, Damari
SENT TO SHERI PAULO 5/01/06 Hello Sheri,
I received your phone call and all I want to know is what is it that we need to speak about?
I don’t understand what we have to say to each other. I feel that you and Citigroup will stand behind Jeff Ursino no matter what really happened. Jeff states that he called to see if I was coming in 2 hours after my shift was to begin and if not to call HR. I did call him and emailed him but he ignored that and fired me. He returned my note which stated that I would be out and yet called to see if I was coming in, did he not read the note he returned with my letter of termination and did not Kathleen let him know that my doctor called in at least I did something about it and my doctor and I were just protecting my health. Why did they lie? You said that they got bad information and now will submit a new response to the DFEH why not check your facts first before submitting information to the DFEH? why, because Jeff Ursino couldn’t tell the truth.
Hope to hear form you soon. Sincerely, Damari God bless us all
AS OF 5/3/06 ==CONNECT ONE OF CITIBANK STATES THE I AM ON LEAVE OF ABSENCES WITH PAY AND THAT I HAVE 163 HRS OF VACATION TIME 80HRS OF HOLIDAY PAY AND 96HRS OF SICK TIME YET I HAVE LETTERS WHICH STATES I WAS FIRED ON 12/13/05
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